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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Alaucard on September 03, 2013, 02:29:05 PM
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i took a trip to my grandparents house this weekend and he had a few items he's owned for a while,
he gave me these pieces to get checked out they are plated in 24 Carrot gold, he claims they were made in italy over 40 years ago before gold was expensive.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img593/3330/oggx.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img706/9135/0l5j.jpg)
also some old paintings he wants to know if valuable.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img835/7203/nbc3.jpg)
a closeup of the name which i found out is "maurice woullo v 1926"
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2775/wq7p.jpg)
this one's entitled "Natural Gas"
(http://imageshack.us/a/img713/3295/ej6a.jpg)
any info at all would be helpful thanks
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Signature is Maurice Utrillo, a French painter who did a lot of work in cities. Is it an original painting?
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here is hi Wiki entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Utrillo
If it is an actual painting, and an original Utrillo, then is could be worth quite a bit.
Can you confirm that it is a painting? Is there anything on the back of the frame?
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Signature is Maurice Utrillo, a French painter who did a lot of work in cities. Is it an original painting?
i dont have the piece myself but looking closely at the pictures i took, it looks like physical groves in the patterns of the buildings indicating brush strokes, im not sure if it is an original, but its very well possible.
here is a picture of writing on the back of the canvas
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8976/gatx.jpg)
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Sorry, I was posting the same time as you.
If it is a painting, and it all looks contemporary, then take it (or send images)to an auction house for an appraisal (most will give you a free estimate)
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Re the Hal Crecy, it looks like a Poster? If it were an original then it could be worth $$$, but I have no idea whether his posters have a market.
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Re the shower head, this is almost identical to ours ... the price tag is probably unrealistic, but it will give you an idea as to how much these can be in demand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-plated-SHERLE-WAGNER-or-Phylrich-SWAN-lever-faucet-basin-set-shower-/161085087165
Can't find anything similar to yours yet!
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cool :D
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Any markings or id on inside of shower head?
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Any markings or id on inside of shower head?
no markings what so ever, one side note is these things weigh atleast 5 pounds each.
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Re the shower head, this is almost identical to ours ... the price tag is probably unrealistic, but it will give you an idea as to how much these can be in demand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-plated-SHERLE-WAGNER-or-Phylrich-SWAN-lever-faucet-basin-set-shower-/161085087165
Can't find anything similar to yours yet!
in demand....to whom....maybe to someone wi a white stick and a guide dog.....
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i dont have the piece myself but looking closely at the pictures i took, it looks like physical groves in the patterns of the buildings indicating brush strokes, im not sure if it is an original, but its very well possible.
here is a picture of writing on the back of the canvas
Alaucard, that is actually stamped and isn't "real" handwriting.
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i dont have the piece myself but looking closely at the pictures i took, it looks like physical groves in the patterns of the buildings indicating brush strokes, im not sure if it is an original, but its very well possible.
here is a picture of writing on the back of the canvas
Alaucard, that is actually stamped and isn't "real" handwriting.
I think KC is right, but what worries me is the 'newness' of everything in the back photo
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An original Utrillo wouldn't have that ink stamp that says "by Utrillo." It's a reproduction.
The clown on the toilet looks like it was inspired by the "Phi Zappa Krappa" poster of the 60s/70s. In other words, choose a cultural icon (rock star, clown) and show him sitting on the toilet, thus "deconstructing" the traditional cultural tropes surrounding him. Funny the first time.
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If it is oil on canvass, and not printed on canvass then you should be able to easily tell as it isn't glazed? , but that canvass on the back looks remarkably new.
He was very prolific, and I've seen a couple of his originals over the years, one was in Italy, just take a look at this site
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/list.php?s=tu&m=a&aid=1504&p=5
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If it is oil on canvass, and not printed on canvass then you should be able to easily tell as it isn't glazed? , but that canvass on the back looks remarkably new.
He was very prolific, and I've seen a couple of his originals over the years, one was in Italy, just take a look at this site
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/list.php?s=tu&m=a&aid=1504&p=5
what do you mean by glazed im not too familiar.
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Hi, Sorry, an oil on canvass won't normally have glass protecting it, except expensive paintings in museum, that is generally only for added protection against vandals, or some on weak backings. So you can get up close, touch your painting and easily see whether it is an actual painting and not a print.
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Hi, Sorry, an oil on canvass won't normally have glass protecting it, except expensive paintings in museum, that is generally only for added protection against vandals, or some on weak backings. So you can get up close, touch your painting and easily see whether it is an actual painting and not a print.
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/992/ufnw.jpg)
visually you can see the indentations of individual brush strokes such as the ones in the buildings on the right it looks a bit smudged yellow white. those lines of paint have depth to them its not a flat surface if that makes sense. in my honest opinion i think it is actual paint, but im not really an expert. one person said if it says by utrillio on the back its a reprint? i wonder if he's right though.
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It really is impossible to give any real verdict just looking at photos. That back does look quite new, and that is a worry. I really do believe that the only way to resolve this is to take it to an auction house and get them to look at it. As I mentioned earlier, many will provide free appraisals.
What is interesting is that I haven't found that particular version of that street.
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...What is interesting is that I haven't found that particular version of that street.
That street must have been a popular subject not only for Utrillo, but other artists as well.
http://france.jeditoo.com/IleDeFrance/Paris/18eme/rue-ste-rustique.htm (http://france.jeditoo.com/IleDeFrance/Paris/18eme/rue-ste-rustique.htm)
Perhaps an email / photos to these folks would help answer some questions?
http://www.utrilloexperts.com/fees.html (http://www.utrilloexperts.com/fees.html)
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Giclee prints are hard to distinguish from the originals by inexperienced people since the brush strokes are reproduced in detail !! About the only way to tell the difference is by the canvas itself !!
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I would be surprised if they could tell very much more by simply looking at photos. And although the first is free, the $1500 fee for possibly authenticating it is a rather lot of money.
I hate to repeat myself, but is there not a decent Fine Art Auction House nearby that you could take it to?
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New staples and canvas says giclee print on canvas !! His prints can be bought all over the internet !!
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An original Utrillo wouldn't have that ink stamp that says "by Utrillo." It's a reproduction.
The clown on the toilet looks like it was inspired by the "Phi Zappa Krappa" poster of the 60s/70s. In other words, choose a cultural icon (rock star, clown) and show him sitting on the toilet, thus "deconstructing" the traditional cultural tropes surrounding him. Funny the first time.
Not just that but there appears to be a printers mark beneath the sig.
Quite obviously not an original. Just a poor print.
This is the original, in a museum in Rennes.
(http://images.bridgemanart.com/cgi-bin/bridgemanImage.cgi/400wm.XIR.2908020.7055475/204913.jpg)
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He did a similar view of the same street in 1921 !! It sold at Christies in 2011 for $195,000.+ !! Was owned by Roland Caillaud, Paris !!
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Yeah, he painted it several times.
A few months ago, a poster on here asked about an original with a label on the reverse, can you remember ? Paris square, trees. Seems this artist painted the same street, too.
It's a small world. Sometimes.
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ok thank you for being honest grandpa is not going to be too happy, but if the original is already in a museum, there cant be another original. thanks for putting this case to bed. :(
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These newer giclee prints that reproduce the look of brush strokes are hard to tell for those inexperienced !! They can fool easily !!
And those shower heads have such a thin layer of electroplate usually over a brass base that it adds little to the value !! But some people like the vintage fixtures !! I worked on a three story (new) Victorian for a couple a few years back and they did one bath with this same type fixture in their bedroom !! Strange taste they had !!
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But some people like the vintage fixtures !! I worked on a three story (new) Victorian for a couple a few years back and they did one bath with this same type fixture in their bedroom !! Strange taste they had !!
It's true, mart, about the value of the gold plate, although the Italians do a remarkably good job with their plating so it seems, and it is just these sort of people that will pay $$$ for something like that, especially if it is 'vintage' ... there is always a market, it's just a question of pinning down the buyer
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