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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: ghopper1924 on September 07, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
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Yo:
Looking for information on this yellow art glass vase.
What little I know about it:
It was purchased in the midwestern U.S. at least 75 years ago, but probably did not originate there. I'm going to guess that it was made in the Belle Epoch, ca. 1890-1910. The flowers and branches are hand painted; the bird (kingfisher?) may be transferware of some sort. There are absolutely no markings or signatures on the bottom, just a slight concave area where the pontil was ground down and polished. There is a slender gold rim around the top which is slightly worn. The inside is white. The vase is 8 inches tall and weighs around a pound or so; it's heavier than it looks.
So I have the usual questions: Where might it have been made? Any way to identify by whom w/o markings? Is my guess re: time correct? And of course, how much might it be worth?
Thanks to all....
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Here is a similar but a wee fancier "cased" glass vase of about the same vintage.
http://www.rubylane.com/item/365154-RL-485/English-4-5-Art-Glass (http://www.rubylane.com/item/365154-RL-485/English-4-5-Art-Glass)
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1885 ??!!
Fresh off the boat. They're reproducing these on the orient. Similar with cold painted bronzes - lots of repros around.
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1885 ??!!
Fresh off the boat. They're reproducing these on the orient. Similar with cold painted bronzes - lots of repros around.
But ghopper suggests that there is some provenance to the piece..
What little I know about it:
It was purchased in the midwestern U.S. at least 75 years ago, but probably did not originate there
Or was the reference to the pot on Ruby Lane ? (pretty ugly piece, not to my taste .. the one on RL)
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Thanks for the help so far!
Without a doubt this has been in MsGhopper's family since at least the 1920s, possibly earlier. There is no possibility that it's a fake.
Anyway, any more thoughts about value or where it might have come from? I feel pretty good about the 1890-1910 date.
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I have been looking but nothing so far Most all I have found that did cased glass was Mt. Washington or Fenton and I don`t think it either of those !! Still looking though !!
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It's beautiful.
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What does the glass look like in the light? Is the background solid? http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/274/images/pr/69323.jpg Would this be the similar artist? Not sure. Isn't the center artwork signed anywhere? The work seems so fine you would think they would have signed it somewhere. That vase on the sight it worth a lot of money. I just comparing the glass to see if the glass is similar.
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And it is cased glass ??
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Thanks for the help so far!
Without a doubt this has been in MsGhopper's family since at least the 1920s, possibly earlier. There is no possibility that it's a fake.
Anyway, any more thoughts about value or where it might have come from? I feel pretty good about the 1890-1910 date.
I was referring to the vase in the link, where they give that date.
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Thanks for the help so far!
Without a doubt this has been in MsGhopper's family since at least the 1920s, possibly earlier. There is no possibility that it's a fake.
Anyway, any more thoughts about value or where it might have come from? I feel pretty good about the 1890-1910 date.
I was referring to the vase in the link, where they give that date.
I realize that. I had already settled on a date between 1890-1910. Just a best guess though.
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And it is cased glass ??
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Yes.
Also, thanks GreenAcres. As I mentioned, the vase is not signed anywhere. It's not cameo either.
I'm going to guess that it was made in the northeastern U.S. or Europe.
Any ideas on value??
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I get an "aesthetic style" feeling looking at your vase.
Somewhat like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-BACCARAT-Hand-painted-White-Opaline-Yellow-Vase-Birds-on-Dogwood-Branch-/251308927845?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a832deb65 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-BACCARAT-Hand-painted-White-Opaline-Yellow-Vase-Birds-on-Dogwood-Branch-/251308927845?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a832deb65)
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Not sure they have their dates right, and why throw Baccarat into the description other than increase search hits ?
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Not sure they have their dates right, and why throw Baccarat into the description other than increase search hits ?
Most likely because that's the signature on it !!
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I think that the seller probably thinks it was a Baccarat piece.
This is an interesting link
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=25236.0
as is this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-True-Pair-Hand-Painted-Baccarat-Butterfly-Vases-Insets-NR-/230991358761
Interestingly the people on the glass forum seem to think that Baccarat could come unsigned?
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Not sure they have their dates right, and why throw Baccarat into the description other than increase search hits ?
Most likely because that's the signature on it !!
You beat me to it ;D
But maybe not....
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Well it has no connection with the company, which i think maybe the idea.
Means very little that signature.
Weird how these things are usually in the US....
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I think that the seller probably thinks it was a Baccarat piece.
This is an interesting link
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=25236.0
as is this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-True-Pair-Hand-Painted-Baccarat-Butterfly-Vases-Insets-NR-/230991358761
Interestingly the people on the glass forum seem to think that Baccarat could come unsigned?
The vase pictured in that thread is of superior quality to those on Ebay and the signature is different. However, they're still not the quality of the Baccarat vases of the mid to late 19th century which weren't signed " Baccarat "
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-opaque-white-glass-5620566-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5620566&sid=4a531481-3b39-4152-ab40-3578928bf264 (http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-opaque-white-glass-5620566-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5620566&sid=4a531481-3b39-4152-ab40-3578928bf264)
Massively superior in quality and design.
Then the subject of birds and flowers
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-pink-and-white-5248623-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5248623&sid=4a531481-3b39-4152-ab40-3578928bf264 (http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-pink-and-white-5248623-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5248623&sid=4a531481-3b39-4152-ab40-3578928bf264)
There's just very little comparison. The people on that other forum who think they are Baccarat obviously don't know better.
And yes, many of the vases were unsigned. If they were signed, it was usually a painter signature.
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Not that he needs a karma point, but I'll give one to Rauville anyway. That link depicts a vase that is quite close to mine, although slightly more elaborated.
I'd be happy to accept Smith Bros./Mt. Washington as the maker. No need for Baccarat.
To sum up: Looks like about 1880-1900. The value may be $300-$500, though I don't see any of them selling. Probably made in the U.S. by Smith Bros./Mt. Washington.
Sound about right?
Thanks to everyone for their help. Couldn't have done it without you!!
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Here's one for you
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-baccarat-yellow-and-white-opaque-glass-4269695-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4269695&sid=cf084362-a5c9-41e3-aafa-3a60cd2d4094 (http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-baccarat-yellow-and-white-opaque-glass-4269695-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4269695&sid=cf084362-a5c9-41e3-aafa-3a60cd2d4094)
Similar but compare these to those fetching more money. The colours, the decoration...just seems wrong. I think these may have been misattributed, hence the price. ( the pink pair sold for $1,400, btw, whereas these, marked more in the Bac style, sold for $6,000 http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-pink-and-white-4373840-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4373840&sid=cf084362-a5c9-41e3-aafa-3a60cd2d4094 (http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-pair-of-baccarat-pink-and-white-4373840-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=4373840&sid=cf084362-a5c9-41e3-aafa-3a60cd2d4094) )
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Now that is darn close! ;D Just beautiful vases.
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Looks like $500 may be a good insurance price for my yellow vase....maybe more!
Good news, whether Baccarat (not likely) or Mt. Washington.
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Yeah, that sounds sensible. I think they'd be better without that signature, to be honest.
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In my opinion this is not Baccarat, not Smith Bros. or Mt. Washington!! It is not cased glass but milk glass with yellow applied to top then painted. I believe production was late 20s to early 1930s. Will do more digging when I have a little more time.
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The expert is on the case! watch this space....
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Yeah! Can't wait for more details!! ;D
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Anything??
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I have been reading this whole thread from a neutral corner and I still have no formed opinion. Hows that for not being helpful? Seriously it sure looks like the pieces that were shown except for one detail. The yellow seems uneven at the base as if it were a coating of some kind. I think Wendy picked up on the same thing.