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Title: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 04:34:41 AM: hello
can anyone tell more about this nice clock?

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0038_zps0fe8d75c.jpg)(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0040_zpscf2cd1bf.jpg)(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0041_zps333a79db.jpg)
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: bigwull on September 10, 2013, 05:05:15 AM: we,ll need pics of the movement....looks like a mantle clock, that is missing the garnitures...also looks like it may be made of alabaster....
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Post by: cogar on September 10, 2013, 05:14:40 AM: At 1st sight I thought it looked like marble.
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 06:59:21 AM: on the movement is a number 97092 with T

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0086_zps14272058.jpg)
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 07:00:51 AM: Quote from: zina on September 10, 2013, 06:59:21 AM
on the movement is a number 97092 with T

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0086_zps14272058.jpg)

it is marble
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: Ipcress on September 10, 2013, 07:14:23 AM: You see the circular mark, lower centre ? Need a clearer image of that, please.

Could be Marti & Cie / Marti & Company.

Actually, after downloading the image, zooming and clearing it up, i think it's Japy Freres' Medaille d'Honneur mark.
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: mart on September 10, 2013, 07:31:04 AM: Is this a reproduction Ipcress ?? I don`t see quality here ??
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Post by: Rauville on September 10, 2013, 09:42:35 AM: Quote from: Ipcress on September 10, 2013, 07:14:23 AM
You see the circular mark, lower centre ? Need a clearer image of that, please.

Could be Marti & Cie / Marti & Company.

Actually, after downloading the image, zooming and clearing it up, i think it's Japy Freres' Medaille d'Honneur mark.

My eyes aren't that good...but, I would agree with Ipcress with it being a Japy Brothers.
http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/japyfreresdates.php (http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/japyfreresdates.php)
I believe the exposed "count wheel" on the back plate was used on their pre 1880 movements.
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 09:47:52 AM: (http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/zinaali/DSC_0089_zps7844badd.jpg)
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: mariok54 on September 10, 2013, 10:14:57 AM: Well spotted Ipcress, here is a similar one (Lot 29), although yours is a little more attractive. And, yes, probably part of a garniture.

http://www.bourneendauctionrooms.co.uk/2011/08/clocks_watches/index.htm

Is it working?
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 10:34:55 AM: yes it is working,but i go make it clean an new clock oil
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Post by: mariok54 on September 10, 2013, 10:41:01 AM: Seems there is a bit of a problem with the front foot, be very careful if you are planning to secure it back in place.
I presume that you will be using a proper clock/watch lubricant?
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Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 10:47:37 AM: i use for the warmink clocks KOCH 3
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Post by: mariok54 on September 10, 2013, 11:20:48 AM: Sounds like you know what you're doing. I've never heard of KOCH, but I imagine 3 is a medium viscocity
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Post by: Ipcress on September 10, 2013, 12:15:58 PM: Quote from: mart on September 10, 2013, 07:31:04 AM
Is this a reproduction Ipcress ?? I don`t see quality here ??

I'd say it was a more standard version of a more expensive clock.

Middle band would be this garniture

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7545258 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7545258)

Top end, with the case and garniture made for Tiffany

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16903106_tiffany-and-co-champleve-clock-garniture-set (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16903106_tiffany-and-co-champleve-clock-garniture-set)

Movement and dial will be similar, just the case and decoration affecting the price.

Japy Frere are quite common. Henri Jacot is another that is quite popular and can sometimes be identified by the parrot mark on the backplate.
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Post by: mart on September 10, 2013, 12:36:51 PM: Thanks !! Was looking at the metal work and it looked rather rough and not well done !! But then,, clocks are not my area !!
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Post by: zina on September 10, 2013, 02:30:36 PM: so the clock is maiby pre 1900?

the marble need a little restauration,crazing, but how I'm gonna do that I must see
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: mart on September 10, 2013, 05:50:50 PM: Marble can be resurfaced to bring out the shine again and smooth it !! Just google "marble restoration" and see if there is something that might help you !! Its usually just a sanding and sealing !!
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 11, 2013, 02:03:49 AM: ok thx all
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: Ipcress on September 11, 2013, 02:09:45 AM: Could it be alabaster ?
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 11, 2013, 02:13:59 AM: sorry i dont no,for me its like marble
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: bigwull on September 11, 2013, 08:49:55 AM: Quote from: Ipcress on September 11, 2013, 02:09:45 AM
Could it be alabaster ?
you missed the boat..... ;D
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: Ipcress on September 11, 2013, 12:03:39 PM: ;D

Sometimes when i'm multi-tasking and very busy, read the first post and skip some....

Does look more like alabaster
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Post by: zina on September 13, 2013, 01:31:30 AM: is the price from this clock about 250 usd?
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: mariok54 on September 13, 2013, 07:13:58 AM: There were probably originally three pieces, and the garnitures have probably been separated from the clock over the years. If this is the case then the value will be decreased. Value is what it will fetch on the day at Auction; if you look at this one, had an estimate of $150 - $200 but only reached the lower estimate.

http://www.ogallerie.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?after=1&dot=2011-11&categ=cloc
Title: Re: clock - pls need more information
Post by: zina on September 13, 2013, 11:42:00 AM: ok thx

nice site

regards