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Title: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 11:56:18 AM
I found this little gem on the mantle of an old house. The owner was a world traveler in the 50s and 60s. It is marked "National Museum of The Phillipines Manilla, RP, Registration, NO. HE 182, 258" the other sticker says "1408," and something I can't make out. Can anyone help out with any other information on this piece? Ive
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: bigwull on September 19, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
My idea of a Gem....is far removed from what i see in front of me....still each to their own.....
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mart on September 19, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
And what exactly is it ?? Pot ?? Need size !!  It a common thing for museums to sell off items that are not quality enough to be used !! People donate all kinds of items to museums,,they just have so much space and storage would go to the better pieces !!  Many time they have multiples of a single type item and they will reserve the better one !! Sell of what they don`t need !!  They can`t keep everything !!
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 12:13:40 PM
Do you think this is ancient pottery? Perhaps gem isn't the word. But more information would help classify it as "far from a gem." When I asked the man about it, he said, "I may have stolen that from a museum." He is quite a character.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 12:14:57 PM
Its a very small (4" in diameter) dish.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 19, 2013, 12:15:51 PM
Do you think this is ancient pottery? Perhaps gem isn't the word. But more information would help classify it as "far from a gem." When I asked the man about it, he said, "I may have stolen that from a museum." He is quite a character.

No need to back peddle ... many people would think of it as a little gem, it really is each to their own. Can you describe it, has it been glazed?
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mart on September 19, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
It does look as if the top (?) has been glazed !! Would not call it ancient pottery,,just primitive pottery !!  Maybe last few hundred years !!  Can you take a side view ?? Its hard to get a sense of it from these pics !!
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 12:22:32 PM
It looks to have a sage glaze on it. And a design in the center design that looks a bit like a sand dollar. There is corrosion on it, which leads me to believe it may have been buried at some point and recovered in a dig or something. Honestly, I'm amateur at best with these things. I emailed the museum, but never heard back.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 19, 2013, 12:24:56 PM
When you say 'corrosion' you're not saying that it's metal?
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Here is a side view
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 19, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
No , but on the first picture, you can see the chip on one side and the other part has kind of bubbled out and become porous.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: Ipcress on September 19, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
What's the decoration in the well of the dish ?
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 19, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
What's the decoration in the well of the dish ?

Myracles described it as resembling a sand dollar, but I'm not too sure
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 19, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
What's the decoration in the well of the dish ?

Myracles described it as resembling a sand dollar, but I'm not too sure

This is a sand dollar pattern
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mart on September 19, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
Sand dollar is kind of what it resembles !!
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: Ipcress on September 19, 2013, 02:07:39 PM
I'm thinking it might be the a peony head.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: bigwull on September 19, 2013, 02:15:53 PM
its got 7 petals...from what i see
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: Ipcress on September 19, 2013, 02:21:05 PM
If you google Yaozhou peony bowl or dish. Or Song Dynasty celadon peony dish

you'll see what i mean.

Imagine this without the extra detail

(http://p2.la-img.com/1193/29227/11287607_1_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mart on September 19, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
No , but on the first picture, you can see the chip on one side and the other part has kind of bubbled out and become porous.

That's typical of some early pottery types !!
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: KC on September 20, 2013, 01:16:47 AM
Definitely appears to be a very old piece of pottery and was wonderfully made.

Are you where you can get a hands-on inspection evaluation from a museum?  appraiser?
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: myracles103 on September 20, 2013, 06:19:09 AM
Yes, I am aware of what a sand dollar looks like, and that is what it resembles-- though it is not a photo-realistic representation of a sand dollar.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mart on September 20, 2013, 06:39:12 AM
I think Ipcress post tells what it is !!
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: greenacres on September 20, 2013, 08:36:23 AM
I was going to ask if it was a lotus flower. To me it looks like a flower. Was it sold by the museum? Maybe you should contact the museum.
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 20, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
Looking for similar styles is like looking for the proverbial needle ....




http://artworld.uea.ac.uk/images/artworld-objects/zhejiang-celadon-bowl-9



Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: mariok54 on September 20, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
I can't copy the picture but look at the 14th pic from the very top, the one with two large shards,

Is this similar to the design in the centre of yours?
Title: Re: Help with Ceramic Dish from National Museum of the Phillipines
Post by: bigwull on September 20, 2013, 02:01:35 PM
I was going to ask if it was a lotus flower. To me it looks like a flower. Was it sold by the museum? Maybe you should contact the museum.
What have I told you....stay off the G&T,s....see post 7 ...... ;D