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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: icedgold10 on September 20, 2013, 07:00:48 PM
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I got this a few months back but haven't been able to find out anything about it. It looked different so I had to have it. Trying to find out origin and age?
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I found one similar on Ebay. It says it is Mayan/Aztec style made in the 1950's. Yours looks like it was made around the same time as this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hand-Thrown-Seed-Pot-Head-Pottery-Aztec-or-Mayan-Style-Made-in-Mexico-/121178915139
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Totally different Kevin.... these one,s here are negroid....
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Bigwull, glad to see you are not in the USA using that term. lol If you ever decide to visit the U.S. you probably don't want to use it because it would be unsafe. I'm sure in your country it is considered differently. Any idea on age?
Advice to Bigwull would be the same this side of Hadrian's Wall ;)
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
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Bigwull, glad to see you are not in the USA using that term. lol If you ever decide to visit the U.S. you probably don't want to use it because it would be unsafe. I'm sure in your country it is considered differently. Any idea on age?
Oh!!...i,ve been to America....but ...don,t think...i want to re-visit.....too many guns...for a start.....and the weather is,nt my cup of tea.....too hot in the summer....and frozen balls in the winter....
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
'Them'? You really do need to take more care Bigwull ... for all you know I might be one of 'them', 'they' can hail from anywhere and be called anything ... and then I'd certainly expect an apology.
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Very sadly our violence level has risen greatly in the past decade. Many Americans are deeply concerned about it. You can't let your children out to play safely any more like when I was young. There is a large group of us trying to bring peace back to everyday life and I believe we can turn that around. I am in the coldest northern state and you are not kidding about how cold it gets here in the winter. brrr.
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
'Them'? You really do need to take more care Bigwull ... for all you know I might be one of 'them', 'they' can hail from anywhere and be called anything ... and then I'd certainly expect an apology.
Very good point!
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Indeed it was meant in an anthropological term !! As opposed to Caucasian !!
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"them"....as in little clay heads...on a clay pot.....
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I think it is a very cool piece of art. Do you think it is 50"s or 60's age wise anyone?
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Could be or even a little later !!
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BigWull, I know how you feel about guns, but the crime is mostly metropolitan cities. You read to much media hype. America has plenty serene places.
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Very sadly our violence level has risen greatly in the past decade. Many Americans are deeply concerned about it. You can't let your children out to play safely any more like when I was young. There is a large group of us trying to bring peace back to everyday life and I believe we can turn that around. I am in the coldest northern state and you are not kidding about how cold it gets here in the winter. brrr.
Well, I am in one of the hottest !! Texas !!
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BigWull, I know how you feel about guns, but the crime is mostly metropolitan cities. You read to much media hype. America has plenty serene places.
No problems out here !! ;)
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BigWull, I know how you feel about guns, but the crime is mostly metropolitan cities. You read to much media hype. America has plenty serene places.
No problems out here !! ;)
It is pretty much the same over here, with the majority of violent crime taking place in the cities , and we've had our fair share of maniacs running amok killing children in nurseries or taking pot shots at strangers and family alike. In our village 'crimes' tend to be opportunist, such as youngsters walking back home from the pub and seeing an unlocked car door so they take a look to see what is worth taking. If that happens more than twice a year then we're experiencing a crime wave.
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If someone has an intent to do harm they will find a way !! Here in our area gun crime is highly unlikely when Texans are known to shoot back !! Where most of the gun crime happens are the areas more highly controlled !! Its pretty common to hear shots around here !! Sometimes Hubby fires off a few rounds just to let everyone know he is still here !!
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Hey mart, how come you didn't ask to see the bottom? ;D
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Simple !! I forgot !! ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Chicago is probably the worst, Philadelphia ranks up there with crime, and our school system is down the dumpers! I don't live in the city, but it's making a big come back with the younger generations. The more drugs and poverty, more crime!
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Here we are a coastal and seasonal area. Drugs have been a big problem. Never used to be that way. Miss the old days...
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Heroin has been around a long time. It's just hard to believe that people are willing to try it. Or, stuff like bath salts that are just as crazy. Just what I always wanted is to eat someone's face off! Or, maybe huff aerosol can spray.
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I know, it is so nuts. What are people thinking??? When I was young the worst I did was forge a library pass to get out of study hall.
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Heroin has been around a long time. It's just hard to believe that people are willing to try it. Or, stuff like bath salts that are just as crazy. Just what I always wanted is to eat someone's face off! Or, maybe huff aerosol can spray.
Always suspected....that there is more to you.....than you will have us believe..... ;D...."eat someone,s face off"......does your therapist know you have these kind of thoughts.....
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It happened in Florida this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT5y9GaV01M
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It happened in Florida this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT5y9GaV01M
I saw this before......but...f rom the way tou wrote it.....the implication was...that it was you that wanted to do this...... ;D
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If someone has an intent to do harm they will find a way !! Here in our area gun crime is highly unlikely when Texans are known to shoot back !! Where most of the gun crime happens are the areas more highly controlled !! Its pretty common to hear shots around here !! Sometimes Hubby fires off a few rounds just to let everyone know he is still here !!
LOL That is very true Mart. Here in Texas, whether we live in the Metroplex/suburbs or out in the country, the right to bear arms is practiced! And, because of that I do think there is alot of respect and responsibility taught/learned with most people. I know that I was and I do reserve the right.
Now, I was staying out of the discussion but have to stand up for the term Wullie on this one. Believe me, I have butted heads with our Scottish Pal on open forum and off..and we have always had a healthy respect for each others' views (well..most of the time)! He wasn't meaning ill will and the "they" he was referring to is the 3 heads on the item! In PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY and CRANIOFACIAL ANTHROPOLOGY there have been 3 general subtypes of racial/body feature classification: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. (Search this if you need and for a easily readible version you can look to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid).) If you will learn something from this forum - it is that there are many things that have occurred in history (in this case terminology) that has become "touchy" and politically incorrect or bordering on. (I have adopted children that would be termed Mongoloid and they wouldn't be crazy about being referred to as a Mongol - but they have Mongoloid features because it was associated to the classification of facial/racial features and started in the area of Mongolia. I also have a brother-in-law that would be termed in the Negroid features and he wouldn't like derogatory remarks made at all - but understands the classification. ) That being said this forum attempts to identify and explain the true nature of items and their relations - without trying to malicious. Even that said, the classifications of physical anthropology remain the same - feelings hurt or not. If anyone knows of a new classification, please let me know and reference it. Sorry, off the soap box. (I know Wullie you are shocked I did this! Sorry...had to say something.) This site is all about learning about an item and it's origin...let's try and find out about it... :)
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KC, you are absolutely correct. Bigwull was correct in his terminology. This is a valid term used in physical anthropology to define racial origin.
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Shocked!!....far from it.....what shocked me was....how easily....some people likened the word Negroid....to Racism....now,I could have come back....with my usual "Aplomb"..and ...gave them a what for......but in this instance chose not to....for the simple reason....Its not my job to try and educate people....If they could,nt tell the difference between the two....then nothing I was going to say..would make them change their minds....
as for you apolgising for being on your soapbox....don,t apologise....unless your life depends on it....
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I know, it is so nuts. What are people thinking??? When I was young the worst I did was forge a library pass to get out of study hall.
Shame on you !! I wasn`t even brave enough to skip a class in school much less the whole day !! Got detention once but I forgot what I did !! Only drug I knew was Miller High Life !!
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Any day something is learned is a good day. Any day there is open discussion where others learn is a great day!
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
'Them'? You really do need to take more care Bigwull ... for all you know I might be one of 'them', 'they' can hail from anywhere and be called anything ... and then I'd certainly expect an apology.
I've seen the term used and defined scientifically online but admit it's a bloody horrible word.
One term i often use with ethnic or African art is ' nubian '. Strictly speaking, it relates to North African region around the Nile but i think it's universal now.
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
'Them'? You really do need to take more care Bigwull ... for all you know I might be one of 'them', 'they' can hail from anywhere and be called anything ... and then I'd certainly expect an apology.
I've seen the term used and defined scientifically online but admit it's a bloody horrible word.
One term i often use with ethnic or African art is ' nubian '. Strictly speaking, it relates to North African region around the Nile but i think it's universal now.
Ya'll quit criticizing that European European and this European American for the verbiage we sometimes utter. And PS, start referring to us by the correct "continental" heritage origin. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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what other way is there to describe them...i can,t say the N word....i could say African....but then not every one that comes from Africa....is a Negro...I,m not using it in a racist manner....i,m using it to describe the features on the heads.....but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies....
'Them'? You really do need to take more care Bigwull ... for all you know I might be one of 'them', 'they' can hail from anywhere and be called anything ... and then I'd certainly expect an apology.
I've seen the term used and defined scientifically online but admit it's a bloody horrible word.
One term i often use with ethnic or African art is ' nubian '. Strictly speaking, it relates to North African region around the Nile but i think it's universal now.
Ya'll quit criticizing that European European and this European American for the verbiage we sometimes utter. And PS, start referring to us by the correct "continental" heritage origin. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry for moving away from the humour, but my main concern was not to do with the use of the term 'negroid', although it is an offensive word to many, with some very unpleasant connotations (and I personally do not like it), my concern was with the general tone of what was said. Now, I may have misinterpreted the intent, and for that I would readily apologise, but to then read "but if i have offended anyone....i make no apologies...", then I find that truly offensive. Whatever the ethos is of a Forum such as this one, then that cannot be part of it. If it is, then despite all the lovely people on it, I would want nothing to do with it.
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Upon further reading on this...I have found that the reference Congoid is also used. But, if you put in Congoid to the search engine....it brings up the definition for Negroid! AND the term Congoid is offensive to many people as well. Whew!
I have discussed the term Nubian (as Ipcress said that they have used) and I had to explain what that was and people/relatives that "this term could be referred to" stated that doesn't describe them! Whew!
What I find interesting (having raised 3 children of different nationalities and having relatives of different ones as well) is that...if you use other terms like the one listed above...you will 98% of the time have to explain what it is that you are saying because people will not be familiar with the term/s...and then you have to really be careful in your word choices because your are going into detailed explanation and having to be politically correct.
The other sad thing is that when words are typed on a computer pad and read by others, it doesn't always have the conveyance of the writer's emotions intent. When someone reads it...they have different background, different exposures to things and may be having a "bad day"...thus they can read it in a totally different way. The joys of our "progressive world of technology" that we all have to learn to live with.
I personally will always be mindful and try my best to describe things in relation to historical means and descriptions and NEVER intend to be harmful...but educational. We are all uniquely and wonderfully made!
Stepping down from today's soap box....
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Perception is always an interesting element in a discussion. Learning about other people's background is a good way to be respectful. I too have had some interesting experiences having a biracial son ( he is half Thai). While he was growing up things got interesting sometimes and not always in a good way. Although, his experiences paved the way for the current generation to be more accepted in this area. My son was one of very few mixed race children at the time in our area. It's all about growing and learning.
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I...know all about...being biracial....I am half Ukrainian...born in the early 1950,s ..my mother was Scottish and my father was from the Ukraine...but came here as a German POW...having fought for the Germans...and lucky enough to have been captured by the Americans....had he been captured by the British...I most certainly would .nt be sitting here writing this...I went to school aged 5 ..and could,nt speak, any Scottish/English....i spoke a mix of German/Russian...i was ridiculed...by...ot her children....called names....you name it..i got it......but...my Gran...use to tell me...."Sticks & Stones"may break your bones......but names will never harm you.....and they never have....
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Was your father in WW2?
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Yes...and this is his Unit sign...which was for the Waffen SS Galician Division...or to give it its full German name....14th Grenadier Der SS....Thousands of these POWs..settled in America...and many were later recruited into the CIA......i have a friend who lives near to Chicago...and the town he lives in...almost 50%..of the population are descendants of SS soldiers....this town is called St Charles....
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My uncle was in the CBI theater. He died at the age of 21 when his plane crashed while flying over the Hump bringing supplies to China during WW2. Here is a link to The Rathbone Museum Facebook page and the tribute he did for my uncle last year. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151065997900380&set=a.10151065991835380.486503.108645525379&type=3&theater I got his belongings last year when my brother suddenly and unexpectedly passed away last year. Everything had been sitting in the suitcase for 70 years. Now it's where others can see it.
Strangely enough the man who owned my house before me turned out to have been in the war too. I needed my roof fixed and when the roofer pulled up a section of the roof there was a German officer's cap under it.
A very sad war as they all are. No one really wins. My grandmother was from Germany but moved here before the war.