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Title: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: pilfro on October 25, 2013, 10:52:02 AM: :) I bought an old print(1951) Currier and Ives Snowy Morning for 3 dollars. Mostly because I loved the old frame. When I took it apart there was what I believe and a couple of people have told me is an original Currier and Ives lithograph. The title is Little Rosebud. The only Little rosebuds I can find are colored, and mine is not. I'm trying to see if it is worth selling this, or If I want to keep it. The address is Nassau NY See pics.
Any idea on this?

Thanks

edit- the marks on her face are on the glass, not on portrait.
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: sugarcube5419 on October 25, 2013, 10:57:18 AM: wow-what a great story I can't wait to hear what people know about this
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Post by: mart on October 25, 2013, 12:37:25 PM: Can you take a closeup of the publisher info for the one in question ?? Should be on the border !!
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Post by: pilfro on October 25, 2013, 12:46:16 PM: Yes I will do this tonight.
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Post by: pilfro on October 29, 2013, 07:20:34 AM: Bottom Publishing info.
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Post by: mart on October 29, 2013, 09:28:39 AM: http://www.philaprintshop.com/currhist.html

This should give you info !! Currier and Ives was only the print maker,, they were not artists !! They had a staff of different artists !! Value in their prints depends on the number done and the rarity !! Although most are a few dollars at best !!
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: pilfro on October 29, 2013, 09:34:33 AM: Thanks Mart, where did you see the "few dollars" the prices on the link you sent are the prices they sold for originally.
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Post by: KC on October 29, 2013, 06:51:26 PM: http://www.currierandives.org/faq.html (http://www.currierandives.org/faq.html)

Interesting the address doesn't match up with any of the sites on dating by address!
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: mart on October 29, 2013, 06:59:28 PM: KC Look at the bottom of the link I gave !! It gives all the addresses and years there !!
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Post by: mart on October 29, 2013, 07:44:08 PM: Usually I just check ebay and see if any are selling !! They really don`t have to be the same one as long as its a similar genre !! Of all that are listed only two have bids one is of horse racing at $20.+ the other is a large chromolithograph of the USS Constitution at $199. Although there are all kinds of starting prices,,it doesn`t mean a thing if no one is actually buying them,, and they are not !! That's why you can`t go by any items "book value" I can ask whatever price I want,, but getting someone to pay it is a different matter !! Doesn`t mean its worth what I ask !!
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: KC on October 29, 2013, 09:14:23 PM: Mart, same list on all the others. But the bottom of the item being shown only shows 1 street while the others show 2 streets (cross streets)! They generally would note this wouldn't they?
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: pilfro on October 30, 2013, 07:45:31 AM: I noticed that as well- but this address is commonly missing the cross street. http://goo.gl/CvdTEX
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: Ipcress on October 30, 2013, 08:13:57 AM: These lithographs, much like maps from the period, were printed and then later hand coloured.

They're worth very little these days, appearing dated and unsuitable for modern homes. People would rather have a print of a Miro or one of Rothko's ' liquorice allsort ' works ( look him up, Wullie...you'll see what i mean ;D )

There are several auction results for these Currier & Ives in the last few years and they've often failed to receive a bid.
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: pilfro on October 30, 2013, 08:24:17 AM: Thank you, its going on the wall, my house is the same age as the print so it fits!
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: Rauville on October 30, 2013, 08:45:46 AM: I just looked at the ebay "Sold" listing of Currier and Ives:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=original+currier+ives+print&_sop=3&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.X+currier+ives+lithograph&_nkw=+currier+ives+lithograph&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=original+currier+ives+print&_sop=3&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.X+currier+ives+lithograph&_nkw=+currier+ives+lithograph&_sacat=0)
There's a big range of prices, but some actually do quite well.
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: Ipcress on October 30, 2013, 09:37:07 AM: Historical figures, natural history.....nothing really for miscellaneous portraits.

I usually disregard Ebay sales where one person has bid on an item, concentrating on auctions with several bids. Gives a much better idea of demand / value.
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: mart on October 30, 2013, 09:43:29 AM: I can`t find the "sold" list anymore !! Have they moved it ??
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Post by: KC on October 30, 2013, 06:31:34 PM: Hit "advanced" then "completed" listings or "sold listings".
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Post by: mart on October 30, 2013, 06:54:28 PM: Finally found it !! Thanks KC !!
Title: Re: A lithograph behind a print!
Post by: ghopper1924 on November 02, 2013, 07:06:01 AM: Quote from: pilfro on October 30, 2013, 08:24:17 AM
Thank you, its going on the wall, my house is the same age as the print so it fits!

There you go! Leave Rothko and Miro to their (now dated) modernist settings... ;)