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Title: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 12:24:04 PM
It is a Large Middle Eastern Bucket with images engraved across it. The images are people holding spears surrounding a person on a throne having a drink with a person with wings. It dimensions are: 14 1/2 inches tall and 30 1/2 inches around at the narrowest part. My grandfather got it in the middle east I think in Iran but I am not sure. He got it in the 1950's or 60's. Here are some pictures. What do you think the value is?

(http://i.imgur.com/o0pPaCB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v1YP6ie.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TfYoI74.jpg)
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 02:10:31 PM
If you look at the second picture it is not close up.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Also we are looking for any information on it at all.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 01, 2013, 03:04:19 PM
Looks like the interior has been tinned !!
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
The pics were taken on an iPad and close up in order to show detail. They are normal sized on our screen; do you mean you have a dial up connection?
We've found similar vessels listed as 'antique cooper Turkish boilers/planters' on ebay (much less ornate) for $70 to $350.
Also, your responses sound somewhat dismissive and uninformed--you've only said its worthless.

P.S. We don't burn coal here; very bad for the environment.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on November 01, 2013, 05:13:13 PM
welcome to the forum,

this place is like a bus station, hang around long enuf you'll get another bus.  Lots more opinions to come.  BE NICE BIGWULL
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on November 01, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
OK gang, time for everyone to take a deep breath... very good.

Let's get back to figuring out what this bucket might be and do it politely please. Thank-you for cooperating, it is important that we keep all interaction on the forum civil.

I found one very similar to yours, but it doesn't sound like the seller knows what it's function is either:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/271290385160?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2a2ac308&x=18&y=6 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/271290385160?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2a2ac308&x=18&y=6)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/9H8AAOxyQj9RJoqG/$(KGrHqZ,!joFD)zI8kNoBRJoqG(qbg~~60_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: greenacres on November 01, 2013, 06:13:38 PM
Good job Tales! :)
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Bigwull did not know your son's age, and he is scottish so our grammar is not his, he has lots of knowledge and a razor wit...you'll find him informational just not a sugar coater. 

He's done a lot for the forum. 

Sure he meant no harm
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on November 01, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
This is a good reminder that we never know when it might be a kid at the keyboard, so we should always keep that in mind, and not to let things get heated.

I found some other similar buckets by doing an image search for Persian brass bucket also Iranian and Iran, but none exactly like yours and none with a "pie crust" lip on the top
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: talesofthesevenseas on November 01, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
OK gang, time for everyone to take a deep breath... very good.

Let's get back to figuring out what this bucket might be and do it politely please. Thank-you for cooperating, it is important that we keep all interaction on the forum civil.

I found one very similar to yours, but it doesn't sound like the seller knows what it's function is either:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/271290385160?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2a2ac308&x=18&y=6 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/271290385160?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2a2ac308&x=18&y=6)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/VINTAGE-MIDDLE-EASTERN-SOLID-BRASS-HAND-HAMMERED-CRAVED-CHRISTIAN-PAIL-BUCKET-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/9H8AAOxyQj9RJoqG/$(KGrHqZ,!joFD)zI8kNoBRJoqG(qbg~~60_57.JPG)

Thank you so much for the polite and informative response, this gives us a place to start looking for more information. We're sorry that we bothered the "experts" and invoked their rapier "wit"; we will find somewhere else to continue our research.
Again, thanks for your quick and polite response.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: greenacres on November 01, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
Bionfett121 I hope you stay. How old is your son? I'm thrilled he likes old things. Is this a school project?
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Bionfett121 on November 01, 2013, 06:43:30 PM
He's 12 and loves to study history and different cultures. It's not a school project, just his passion. He loves all things British and Middle Eastern, sad about the interaction because he has several online Scottish friends who he idolizes.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 01, 2013, 07:19:54 PM
It appears to be  an etched water pail !! Or for any food related item due to the tinning on the interior !! Looked at several similar form as the one tales found !! Some decorated and some not !! They are pretty common in the middle east as running water can be scarce in some areas !! Here in the U.S. they are used as decorative objects !! Value on the ones I found between $45. and $85 !! Remember asking price and actual selling price can vary greatly !!
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 01, 2013, 07:24:35 PM
 :D   :D   :D !!!
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: greenacres on November 01, 2013, 08:49:56 PM
Bionfett121 I think it's great!  Hopefully we can get some more good answers for him.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: greenacres on November 01, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
P.S. BigWullie mothers can be worse than pit bulls, so you better be polite! ;D I know how I am with my kids and they are 30, 33, 34.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 01, 2013, 09:00:56 PM
I am not sure what kind of information is needed !!!
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: ghopper1924 on November 03, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
Hmmm, it looks like a key post in this discussion has been deleted.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: KC on November 03, 2013, 12:46:40 PM
There are many traditional stories/fables of kings...but not of one with an angel that I can find.  I think if this is done with a traditional story...the origin will be determined.  Otherwise, it could be simply a decorative picture/depiction that was dear to the maker.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: Rauville on November 03, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Probably doesn't help, but here's one from an auction in Tel-Aviv that didn't bring an opening bid of $50.

http://nunbetbooks.co.il/storage/pic201/201a1134.jpg (http://nunbetbooks.co.il/storage/pic201/201a1134.jpg)
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: bigwull on November 03, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: ghopper1924 on November 03, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
Hmmm, it looks like a key post in this discussion has been deleted.
Just one.... ;)..there,s nothing like fishing... ;D

Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 03, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Oh my !!  Is it my imagination or has Ghopper gotten shorter ???
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 03, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
Glad to see some of our youth is interested in the past and how things came to be.  Gives me hope MDF will not turn collectable.  Your son will someday make a profound discovery that makes a difference in the world.  Hats off to him.
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: KC on November 03, 2013, 03:30:11 PM
I also agree.  We would love to have him/you be a regular part of the forum.  The younger you learn...the better!!!

Thanks for giving the forum a second chance!!!

Let's keep it upbeat and clean here...after all that is what has made this such a popular site over the years I have been on here!!!
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: bigwull on November 03, 2013, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: greenacres on November 01, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
P.S. BigWullie mothers can be worse than pit bulls, so you better be polite! ;D I know how I am with my kids and they are 30, 33, 34.
there,s Mothers.that do..and there,s Mothers..that don,t..then there,s..The  Mothers of Invention. ;D..as for being polite..I was born polite....but as i grew older...i learned not to suffer fools..... ;D
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: mart on November 03, 2013, 05:04:16 PM
Wullie, you keep it interesting !!  :D
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: ghopper1924 on November 04, 2013, 06:24:52 AM
Quote from: bigwull on November 03, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: ghopper1924 on November 03, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
Hmmm, it looks like a key post in this discussion has been deleted.
Just one.... ;)..there,s nothing like fishing... ;D



Looks like this one should be thrown back....
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: bigwull on November 04, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: ghopper1924 on November 04, 2013, 06:24:52 AM
Quote from: bigwull on November 03, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: ghopper1924 on November 03, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
Hmmm, it looks like a key post in this discussion has been deleted.
Just one.... ;)..there,s nothing like fishing... ;D



Looks like this one should be thrown back....
could,nt agree more....its like reading a book with half the pages missing... ;D
Title: Re: Large Middle Eastern Bucket Value?
Post by: artx on November 04, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
yes this looks to be Persian.

love the engraving :)