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Title: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
Back of a painting.  Real or not?
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 12:32:38 PM
And the front ??
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Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 12:41:09 PM
Hey guys....this has to be the first time ever.......Mart wants to see The Front!! ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 12:53:18 PM
Wow, the front????  But I put the back just for you.  lol
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 01:02:35 PM
you just can,t win....you say back she says front, i say chalk she says cheese....thats Texans for you....they,re never happy until they see the arse of everything...i bet when she was a kid she dismantled everything..just to see how it worked....i know i did,....only problem was...i never put the thing back togeter again....whatever it was usually ended up like Humpty Dumpty.... ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
I do that with my plumbing sometimes.  Kids hate when I do it. lol
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Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
One thing that bugs me is he was so into his butterfly mark being perfect why would he slap his name like this onto a painting?
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 01:18:40 PM
I do that with my plumbing sometimes.  Kids hate when I do it. lol
you would,nt have to do it if you did,nt put non bio-degradable shit down the drain...grease  is a no no,...un-cooked rice is another....do what i do, pour a cap full of drain opener down your plug hole once a week, and you,ll never need to dismantle the pipe work ever again....its just like giving your drain an enema.... ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
I was actually installing water compression lines.  haha
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: KC on November 20, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
I prefer the volcano effect myself!!  Baking soda and vinegar!!!!!  Love the bubbling!!!!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 01:25:45 PM
I prefer the volcano effect myself!!  Baking soda and vinegar!!!!!  Love the bubbling!!!!
As long as it doesn't get out of control. haha
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 01:29:59 PM
The paintings real....see link to his signatures....no two are alike...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=whistler+artist+signature&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qwyNUprDL9Gl0wWE1oGgBA&ved=0CFEQsAQ&biw=1157&bih=635
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 01:36:21 PM
Wow, never saw one where he didn't put the whole person in it.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 01:51:46 PM
Look on the left of Whistlers name,, it looks like it says  "after" !!  Dorothy Seton is the artist I think !!
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Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
I prefer the volcano effect myself!!  Baking soda and vinegar!!!!!  Love the bubbling!!!!
if you like volcano effects...here,s a nice practical joke, ...just mix your baking soda,with yer sugar....or as i did once when i was working offshore, and the cook in the galley...who ..was a Texan from Galveston....who could,nt cook to save himself..but he was good at steamed puds,..anyway, me and another guy...another Texan...crept into the galley store, and we emptied a 7lb tin of baking powder into a 20lb tin of self-raising flour....having first removed some of the flour,....a few days later the cook was making a big steamed pudding, for the rig boss and the pusher,...suffice to say....they never got their steam pud....as the mix blew the lid off the 25gal steamer, and the pud dough went everywhere....poor cookie....he never again got  to make a steam pud.. ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
you been getting another pair of cheaters from the buck store. ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
Whistler died in 1903 !!
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Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 02:10:39 PM
https://www.google.com/#q=dorothy+seton+artist

 Might be interesting !!
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Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 02:24:29 PM
Seems she was one of his last pieces.
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Post by: Ipcress on November 20, 2013, 02:31:57 PM
Am i missing something here ?
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Look carefully on the front and see if someone signed it !!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Am i missing something here ?

Check your email.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
Look carefully on the front and see if someone signed it !!
I don't have it.  I am thinking about bidding on it.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 02:40:44 PM
Am i missing something here ?
you got out did ya........
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
Am i missing something here ?

Actually I have no idea !! Evidently I am !!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
Its an English thing Mart.... ;D
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 20, 2013, 03:35:26 PM
What happened to the front pic ?? Thought she might have been the artist but no !!  Folk art ?? Maybe !!  Back is written like a young person with OXO,,hugs and kisses ?? Very odd !!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
yeah..what happened with the front pic..i,m sure i saw it on here..a hand wi an orange in it....or am i losing me marbles....
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: Ipcress on November 20, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Am i missing something here ?
you got out did ya........

 ;D  Whilst Ratched was looking the other way.

Icegold - look at this picture upside down.
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/hag/624x544/gla_hag_46331_624x544.jpg)


Someone's done their own interpretation.

Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Ice,....keep yer money... ;D.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: bigwull on November 20, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
Am i missing something here ?
you got out did ya........

 ;D  Whilst Ratched was looking the other way.

Icegold - look at this picture upside down.
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/hag/624x544/gla_hag_46331_624x544.jpg)


Someone's done their own interpretation.


Cuckoo!!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 20, 2013, 06:17:44 PM
My money is staying in my pocket!  Thanks everyone!
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Post by: KC on November 20, 2013, 10:05:39 PM
NICE CATCH ipcress!!!!
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 21, 2013, 05:42:26 AM
Ok, the painting sold for $1001.00.   http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=14746632     Will be interesting to see what it turns out to be.  Either way I would have never gone that high.  I'm way to cheap. lol
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: Ipcress on November 21, 2013, 06:50:14 AM
Whistler painted the picture i posted an image of in 1903.

So in the same year Dorothy Seton then painted the hand holding the apple, upside down, with the same strands of hair visible?!!

 " Dorothy Seton - A Daughter Of Eve ". in quote marks suggests whoever wrote that is giving the title of the piece this was based on, not who it was painted by. They then wrote " after Master James A McNeil Whistler ".

The writing after this is possibly a signature.


Each to their own but that wasn't painted by Seton or Whistler. The price is neither here not there. Just someone taking a punt or someone who doesn't know art hoping it's an original.



Yesterday on tv i watched an expert on Antiques Road Trip ( two experts competing against each other to buy and sell for profit ) buy a repro skulls head mount ( sometimes used by bikers, SS etc ) and then buy a walking stick. He attached the two items together and made sure the skulls head stuck by using cellotape / sticky back plastic.

It cost him about £50 altogether. It sold at auction for £200 because the buyer thought it was a genuine piece. Personally, i thought it was a terrible thing to do, even though the money goes to charity, because it showed an expert trying to con the public.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: icedgold10 on November 21, 2013, 09:21:57 AM
I think they are hoping it is an original but after further viewing it the paint strokes on the hand and apple are not Whistler's work.  He would have blended much more as he was known for.  That was the part that bothered me even though I like the painting.  Bet someone runs to the auction house with it to be disappointed. 
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: Ipcress on November 21, 2013, 09:34:44 AM
A Whistler oil is six figures.

$1,000 for this is too much but nowhere near enough for a Whistler. The listing also claims it's by Dorothy Seton, although it's clearly been listed by someone who doesn't know what they're looking at.

Looks like a mid 20th art class job to me.
Title: Re: Is this really Whistlers signature?
Post by: mart on November 21, 2013, 09:54:30 AM
Still trying to figure if I was correct or not ??  Thought at first it may have been by her then decided it wasn`t !!