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Title: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 27, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
Just found this and would like to know who's the man on it and who is the photographer Offenbach from Brooklyn ?  And data must be before 1922 as seen on glued newspaper fragments on the frame .  So who is able to tell me more ? Size is 17x14 inches so big picture .
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on November 27, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
The photographers at this address were called Leeds.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 27, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
Thanks and any internet links somewhere to be having some more on them ?  Can't find much yet
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on November 27, 2013, 12:21:49 PM
Enter the address, including Brooklyn, within quotation marks in Google. Plenty of results.

Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 27, 2013, 12:35:06 PM
Yes that works but Leeds is not Offenbach so any idea who he was ? And my photo is handsigned on the photo or in the negatief itself so not like what i see on the Leeds pictures .  Any idea about that ? And who is this man himself on the picture ?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on November 27, 2013, 01:48:40 PM
Most likely it's anyone.

Try a google image search using the second image.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: bigwull on November 27, 2013, 02:40:20 PM
Yes that works but Leeds is not Offenbach so any idea who he was ? And my photo is handsigned on the photo or in the negatief itself so not like what i see on the Leeds pictures .  Any idea about that ? And who is this man himself on the picture ?
who is the man in the picture....his name is Needle....and he lived in a Haystack.... ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Rauville on November 27, 2013, 04:25:43 PM
Maybe these folks could help:
http://www.brooklynhistory.org/visitor/contact.html (http://www.brooklynhistory.org/visitor/contact.html)
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: greenacres on November 27, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
The a blogsite that researches lost family photos. I think I can find it on this site it was posted a while ago.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: greenacres on November 27, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
http://lostmementos.blogspot.com/  This is one of the sites. You could contact them.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 28, 2013, 01:41:12 AM
Thanks and will contact them  .  Must be possible to find out .
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 28, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
Yes that works but Leeds is not Offenbach so any idea who he was ? And my photo is handsigned on the photo or in the negatief itself so not like what i see on the Leeds pictures .  Any idea about that ? And who is this man himself on the picture ?
who is the man in the picture....his name is Needle....and he lived in a Haystack.... ;D
    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: bigwull on November 28, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
because she has a sense of humour.... ;D.....
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on November 28, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Why has he said that ?! Have you antagonised him ?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 28, 2013, 03:39:59 PM
I think when he stated the needle and haystack thing he just was indicating it will be hard to locate one person in such a large area to look.  I have a lot of photos from early on and I do know who some of them are but trying to find the other people I have pictures of would be very difficult.  I wouldn't know where to start even.  I always start with asking the person I get them from what they know to make it possible to have a direction to go.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on November 28, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
That's not on at all.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 28, 2013, 07:36:16 PM
I think the person in your picture may be Joseph Offenbacher.  http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Joseph_Offenbacher_%281%29
This person Eliezer Leo Offenbacher may be his grandson.  I would contact him and see if he recognizes the picture at http://www.carionltd.com/doc.php?st=ny&cy=brooklyn&pn=eliezer-leo-offenbacher&id=799199.  Eliezer was also Joseph's fathers name.  Joseph died in 1945 at 67 years old.  I may be way off but the last name is not common here and the information fits in with Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: KC on November 29, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Nice sleuthing icedgold10!!!  Good hunch!!!

gerspee, continue to post your items on this site.  That is what this site is all about...trying to help find answers.  What one person finds intriguing to search out, others may not.  That is the beauty of the forum...

Don't know what is going on with the rest of the posts above...but hope it is resolved and this forum retains the reputation and purpose it was created for...to be an enjoyable site to find out more about things from the past in a positive manner.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 29, 2013, 12:15:03 PM
Thanks and will ask this man if he is related . But the names are not similar in spelling . I look for Offenbach and this man is Offenbacher .  And why would you put the posers name  above your company's address without the company's name ?

So I think that the name Offenbach on the picture is the photographer who made this photo . The problem is that the photo itself has been glued on the carton . And maybe the posers name is written-on the back including the date ? Any cunning plan to release the old glue and take the picture off without damage to it ? I don;t think that wetting the carton will do the trick without any damage to the picture ?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 29, 2013, 01:34:33 PM
To me it looked like a way of the photographer marking who the picture is and  where it was taken.  The company usually put their names on the front and professionally printed.   The name difference could be one of three things.  The pencil could have worn off over the years, the penmanship of some is not always legible to others and it was not uncommon to have names become a variant when moving into this country.  Either because of document errors or the person wanted to fit in better with a shorter name.  I have seen both happen.  This was around the same time my grandmother would have come here from Germany and she had issue with her name on her documents. 
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 29, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
Found something and I think there quite lookalikes ?  What do you think ?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 29, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
I had seen him too at one point.  What is the link to that picture?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on November 29, 2013, 07:37:16 PM
Although the look is similar,, the ears are wrong !! Bottom pics ears are smaller and set lower that the man at top !!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: greenacres on November 29, 2013, 08:20:08 PM
The eyebrows are wrong too.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 29, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
The eyebrows are wrong too.
Maybe he waxed them?   ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 30, 2013, 03:47:42 AM
Made a new print from the two face together . But a similar photo off this man just with his face straight looking in to the camera  is not easy to find .  Henry James Montague  (1844-1878) is this man to look for . And then the date would be before 1878 what would be correct with the fashion on the photo ? And Offenbach as photographer would then maybe be the first one on this address ?  And hair in style and moustache in a curl could be done to make a perfect image from him ? Photo is big so must has had some costs even in that time ? 
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 30, 2013, 05:43:08 AM
Here is henry looking straight on,
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on November 30, 2013, 06:11:31 AM
I think I need get it from the carton board  to see  there's nothing like a name written on the back off it . Already tried wit a very bright light from the back but it's to thick to shine to the front . So soaking would maybe do the trick but I don.t think the photo would survive this treatment . The photographic layer is lying on the paper and is old so ?  Any nice trick somewhere and any idea what glue was used in these days ?
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 30, 2013, 06:19:36 AM
Be careful with any liquid.  Very gently try to raise it with a razor blade.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on November 30, 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Turn the photo face down on a clean soft cloth and try a blow dryer to soften the glue from the back !! Heat sometimes works on old glue !!  Then inch it up and away from the pic little by little !!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on November 30, 2013, 02:33:43 PM
Turn the photo face down on a clean soft cloth and try a blow dryer to soften the glue from the back !! Heat sometimes works on old glue !!  Then inch it up and away from the pic little by little !!
Great idea!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on November 30, 2013, 07:57:53 PM
Turn the photo face down on a clean soft cloth and try a blow dryer to soften the glue from the back !! Heat sometimes works on old glue !!  Then inch it up and away from the pic little by little !!
Great idea!

If it will work !!  And that's a big "if" !!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on December 01, 2013, 03:45:35 AM
Thanks for the advices . Think that the glue would be a gelatine glue so animal based like used in bookbinding . So first I will try on one of my old books to see if heat will release this glue . Wetting the paper would work then but the paper off the photo is old and the photographic layer maybe will be getting lose from the under layer . And that's not what would be very clever . So testing first and let  you know what's come out .

Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on December 01, 2013, 06:51:11 AM
This thread  ;D

OCD ALERT !!!! OCD ALERT !!!!

 ;)
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on December 01, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
Heating is not working so I just leave it where it is . Heating makes the photographic layer lose on the carrier paper so that will damage the image . 

Identity finding off the person would be the best thing now . And the photographer if that's the name of him above the written address.   
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on December 01, 2013, 02:07:00 PM
Go to this link:  http://pardonmeforasking.blogspot.com/2008/11/back-in-time-on-columbia-street.html
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on December 01, 2013, 02:22:34 PM
Excellent work Icedgold10 !! Now he knows who it is !!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on December 01, 2013, 02:26:05 PM
Not sure he does.

I think you should keep looking  ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on December 01, 2013, 02:28:40 PM
Not sure he does.

I think you should keep looking  ;D
He shall not rest. ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on December 01, 2013, 02:29:57 PM
Well, I am resting !!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on December 01, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
Well, I am resting !!

Feet up, Mart. It's Sunday !
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: greenacres on December 01, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
Yep feet up! Watching Eagles vs Arizona game. Go Eagles!
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on December 01, 2013, 04:13:40 PM
Thanks all but the last picture is not him .  But the forum gave me more directions to look and I.am hopeful to find the answer with these directions . And you're right about the fact that I will not stop in searching because if there is a answer I really want the answer .  And like most off you  I like buying so there's so much stored away now in the house that even I don't know what's all there any more .

Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on December 01, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
That's funny, I am the same way.  I don't stop until I find the answer. I have a hard head as my parents told me.
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on December 01, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
Thanks all but the last picture is not him .  But the forum gave me more directions to look and I.am hopeful to find the answer with these directions . And you're right about the fact that I will not stop in searching because if there is a answer I really want the answer .  And like most off you  I like buying so there's so much stored away now in the house that even I don't know what's all there any more .



If that's not him its his twin !!  What makes you think it isn`t ??
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on December 01, 2013, 08:10:23 PM
Feet up and booze up, Mart ?!

They don't look alike
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: mart on December 01, 2013, 08:16:34 PM
The one I saw did !! Or was it wishful thinking ?? Did you get my PM Ipcress ??
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on December 01, 2013, 08:20:49 PM
Look through enough pictures and they all start looking like him.  lol
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: Ipcress on December 02, 2013, 08:35:01 AM
The one I saw did !! Or was it wishful thinking ?? Did you get my PM Ipcress ??

Yes Mart  ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: gerspee on December 02, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
Could always go to a plastic surgeon and make me related in looks  ::)  Then it's going to be great great grandfathers from my mother side and my newest family portret  ;D
Title: Re: Early Photograph from America
Post by: icedgold10 on December 02, 2013, 11:59:13 AM
There you go.  I have fake family photos up in my house.  I make a story up to go with them. lol ;D The post I did on Italian soldiers, that picture is on my wall like I know them.  Fun! ;D