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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: leadnbrass on December 14, 2013, 03:11:50 PM
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Picked up three of these things for next to nothing.
I searched online for a while but really can't find anything like them.
The marks on the back really aren't helping either according to several sites I've been on.
Any ideas of age, pattern or anything?
Just a few shots of the items and back marks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps234f1c3a.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps91710800.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps2c7c5e2d.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zpsd4385a70.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zpsd56f531b.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps138c4a65.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps1dcc427c.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps40521188.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/leadnbrass/image_zps9a7fdeec.jpg)
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Greetings,
While this site doesn't have your items, it does have info on the marks:
http://www.steincollectors.org/Library/articles/Mettmks/Mettmks.htm
Still looking....
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lots of trivet boards about...from this company...have,nt found any like yours,but that does,nt mean its rare or worth more....prices range from $10 ..to $50.....most have no bids
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/villeroy-boch-trivet
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Try this (it is a google translated page)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.keramikmuseum-mettlach.de/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.keramikmuseum-mettlach.de/%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DcVK%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
You can always email them the pics and see if they can help.
And like Wull said...lots of cheese platers, but none in this urn or oil decanter style.
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Picked up three of these things for next to nothing.
I searched online for a while but really can't find anything like them.
The marks on the back really aren't helping either according to several sites I've been on.
Any ideas of age, pattern or anything?
Just a few shots of the items and back marks.
They are turn of the last century, c1900. Quite attractive, much more than the trivets you see on ebay, and unusually in the form of jugs. The Art Nouveau patterns especially collectable - the pattern names are those in the centre of the mark so Gerd, Beptha etc. I was wondering if Beptha / Bertha was for Bertha Czegka, an artist from the Art Nouveau period who did some designs for their steins ?
You should do some more research for the shape.
Maybe contact info@keramikmuseum-mettlach.de
This tile sold for $160
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/108861
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Thank you all for the information thus far...
I've been poking around a bit on the provided links.
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They look like the cheese trivets the used to come with those cheese and sausage gift sets !!
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Ding Ding, the others got it right about the trivet! AND notice the hole in the top corners...that is so you can hang them on the wall for decor when not in use! :)
Patterns are appealing and makers names remain appealing to purchasing public!
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Art nouveau is floral, Deco is geometric, and mid century check patterns,,!!!
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Art nouveau is floral, Deco is geometric, and mid century check patterns,,!!!
How would you describe them, from top to bottom ? A,B,C.
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Art nouveau is floral, Deco is geometric, and mid century check patterns,,!!!
How would you describe them, from top to bottom ? A,B,C.
Ha !! Like everyone does in Texas,,1,2,3, !!
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Well B i think is interesting. I think some might call it Deco but i reckon it's Art Nouveau.
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Nope, Deco is geometric patterns that are symmetrical and Art Nouveau is more nature inspired and asymmetrical!!! :)
We may be from Texas...but don't let that southern drawl be mistaken for ignorance! Right Mart!! :)
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You think he would figure that out eventually KC !! Art Nouveau,, was a soft era, very flowing lines, nature inspired, !! Art Deco was similar to the 60`s,, women were coming into their own, Hard lines, geometric forms, designers were padding shoulders in ladies clothing to give them a square , more powerful look !! Female form was popular in both eras but in different ways !!
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Ladeeeez...please remove your Keys...and maybe your blinkers......every thing may not be as it seems....and whilst we are on the subject....your opinion on this tile...would be appreciated....
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Nope, Deco is geometric patterns that are symmetrical and Art Nouveau is more nature inspired and asymmetrical!!! :)
We may be from Texas...but don't let that southern drawl be mistaken for ignorance! Right Mart!! :)
Really ?!
This is from the late Art Nouveau design book
http://www.craftingspot.com/images/pagesofdesign.jpg (http://www.craftingspot.com/images/pagesofdesign.jpg)
This is from around 1905
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8339/8169678454_e63460eae0.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8339/8169678454_e63460eae0.jpg)
You also see that type of design on many Edwardian postcard albums, book covers etc. There's an Art Nouveau design reference book which sells for a few hundred pounds in good condition and it features an almost identical design. Also, that Villeroy & Boch mark was used up until 1909.
A Loetz vase from c1900
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6785820 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6785820)
Another vase, c1900. Straight lines, droplets.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/469990 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/469990)
This V&B vase is from 1900
http://p2.la-img.com/171/17924/6091260_3_l.jpg (http://p2.la-img.com/171/17924/6091260_3_l.jpg)
Edwardian glass panel - straight lines, droplets.
(http://www.agdavic.com.au/files/MLWRI8CFNI/Late%20edw.LL%20451.jpg)
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Come on Ipcress !! You know all these periods meld and blend together !! Yes, you can find elements of each from 1890 to about 1940 in any one you look at !! The Edwardian stained glass panel you posted also has the flowing floral element of the Nouveau period with the other design elements !!
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Okay Ipcress (LOL) here we go.....
When googling "what is the difference between Art Nouveau and Art Deco" here is what I am coming up with...
http://mentalfloss.com/article/19891/art-deco-vs-art-nouveau-whats-difference (http://mentalfloss.com/article/19891/art-deco-vs-art-nouveau-whats-difference)
and
http://www.fauxology.com/2012/01/art-deco-or-art-nouveau/ (http://www.fauxology.com/2012/01/art-deco-or-art-nouveau/)
and
http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-the-difference-between-art-nouveau-and-art-deco (http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-the-difference-between-art-nouveau-and-art-deco)
and
http://altnonfic.com/art-nouveau-art-deco/ (http://altnonfic.com/art-nouveau-art-deco/)
Do I need to put more Ipcress? :)
(This is fun!)
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Should we just get a hammer and beat it in KC !! ;D
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Listen, any Tom Dick or Harry knows about Art Nouveau and the floral, naturalistic influence - vines, curves etc and Art Deco - straight lines. geometric shapes . It wasn't me who made a blanket statement about straight lines being Deco, curves being Art Nouveau. I know there are overlaps - it's why i asked. It was a loaded question.
That plaque above is from a couple of decades before the Deco period. Period. ;)
Another smite. This place is great.
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We were ribbing you !! Wasn`t us !!
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whoever is doing the smiting--let me say this to them, if you don't have some people more knowledgeable in the forum it gets pretty stagnate.
If you feel you know more...show yourself and compare notes -- my guess is Ipcress intimates you.
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Ipcress knows this stuff as well as anyone !! Sometimes we Texans just have to get a lick in and kid a bit !! Have no idea why anyone would feel the need to smite someone over that !! Just friendly discussion !! Point vs point !!
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Wasn't me to smite. I just keep loading up with references/web sites! :) Keeps the blood flowing and brain cells moving on both sides of the pond! That is what I love about this site! LOL
I never said, and I copied/quoted you "a blanket statement about straight lines being Deco, curves being Art Nouveau". I wrote: "Deco is geometric patterns that are symmetrical and Art Nouveau is more nature inspired and asymmetrical!!!" Nothing about straight lines or curves! If that is your interpretation...th en we are at an impasse...and I will agree to partially disagree! All is well!
Yep Mart, we UNDERSTAND! :) :) ;)
Ipcress where did you find that pic of the stained glass?
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Wasn't me to smite. I just keep loading up with references/web sites! :) Keeps the blood flowing and brain cells moving on both sides of the pond! That is what I love about this site! LOL
I never said, and I copied/quoted you "a blanket statement about straight lines being Deco, curves being Art Nouveau". I wrote: "Deco is geometric patterns that are symmetrical and Art Nouveau is more nature inspired and asymmetrical!!!" Nothing about straight lines or curves! If that is your interpretation...th en we are at an impasse...and I will agree to partially disagree! All is well!
Yep Mart, we UNDERSTAND! :) :) ;)
Ipcress where did you find that pic of the stained glass?
Probably in the front door of his or someone else house,...they are common over here,
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Out of all the references on the internet that are easily accessed by anyone here....this helps to distinguish the periods pretty well. Although NOT ALL totally comply (after all we are talking about artists)...this does a great explanation!
http://www.ehow.com/info_7963187_differences-art-nouveau-edwardian-victorian.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_7963187_differences-art-nouveau-edwardian-victorian.html)
"Comparisons - While Art Deco and Art Nouveau may both borrow elements from nature, such as flowers and insects, the types of flowers and insects chosen is what differentiates Art Deco from Art Nouveau. For instance, Art Nouveau would use orchids, irises, dragonflies and spiders, while Art Deco would use camellias, roses and speedy animals such as leaping gazelles. Art Deco incorporates modern lines while Art Nouveau remains romantic and whimsical. Art work produced during the Edwardian and Victorian periods make use of bright and bold colors while the architecture embodies the Gothic revival."
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Putting descriptions aside...I'm curious as to what you think about the trivet shown with the "Checkerboard" design.
When I first saw it, my thought was the Vienna Secession movement from 1905 or so. Architect Josef Hoffmann was gaining fame with his checked blue/white interiors around that time.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Cabaret_Fledermaus_Vorraum_um_1907.jpg/220px-Cabaret_Fledermaus_Vorraum_um_1907.jpg)
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Putting descriptions aside...I'm curious as to what you think about the trivet shown with the "Checkerboard" design.
When I first saw it, my thought was the Vienna Secession movement from 1905 or so. Architect Josef Hoffmann was gaining fame with his checked blue/white interiors around that time.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Cabaret_Fledermaus_Vorraum_um_1907.jpg/220px-Cabaret_Fledermaus_Vorraum_um_1907.jpg)
Yes, i agree.
All the trivets are from the same period, despite what the ladies have been saying about Art Deco.
I've sold ( should i say helped sell to be precise ) a Hoffmann silver cigar box before. I was interested in him and the whole Wiener Werkstätte thing. Their designs influenced British designers when thing began to change during the Edwardian period.
Queen Victoria mourned the loss of Prince Albert for a long time and this is reflected in late Victorian furniture and antiques. I think the Edwardian period, though short, was a great time for design and innovation. A new monarch, a new century....then war came.
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Ipcress,, I said the checks were mid century !!
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i think maybe you,ve lost one of yer skeleton keys......or is it sticking out yer back.....btw ...I see the English got humped...again....i think they need a wider bat..... ;D
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Well B i think is interesting. I think some might call it Deco but i reckon it's Art Nouveau.
Seccessionist, specifically. Hoffman and the like....
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Isn't Seccession Style - grid-like patterns - from Art Nouveau period as well? (Austria, Germany, etc)
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It's art nouveau,though, without having a 2 hour discussion on Beardsley to Bauhaus
This is secessionist and you can see the similarities.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16890362_a-late-19th-century-minton-pottery-secessionist-mould (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16890362_a-late-19th-century-minton-pottery-secessionist-mould)
Then there are other secessionist items which appear very art deco. The deco period would probably have been dated earlier if it had not been for the war. As a rule, as we all know, Deco is given as 1920's and 30's, primarily because of the 1925 Paris Exhibition from which people gave the period it's name. T
here are definitely pieces of the type seen much earlier, however.
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Oh come on Ipcress....let's have at least a 1 hour discussion! :)
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Mmm!!...Bauhaus....i,ve got an album of theirs kicking around somewhere...i don,t think you,d like Gothic Rock KC....but you never know....I know Mart would,nt ;D
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Bela Lugosi's dead.....good to have a little Bauhaus in ourhaus.....
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Remember Wullie...I was born in the 50's...and was in High school in the 70's!!!!!! Actually like some the songs!!!
Wow, I really like exclamation marks lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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By all accounts you must have just made it into the 50,s...if you were in high school in the 70,s...which by my reckoning...makes you ..still a spring chicken.... ;D
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Wowwwwwww...that is compliment from Wullie!!!!!!!!!! I feel so youthful now! :) :) :)