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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: jweams on January 01, 2014, 03:32:26 AM
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I just purchased this 18th century balance scale in Belgium. The guy did not say where it was from or provide any other information than the century. I am hoping some one can shed some more light on this awesome find!! It is extremely heavy weighing abut 80 pounds. The place in Belgium I bought this has many things from all over the world a lot coming from France so it could be from any of these places. I have tried to look stuff up on balancing scales but have not come across anything close to this. Any info would be greatly appreciated!!
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Any markings on it at all ?? Top,,bottom,, anywhere !! If its a balance scale,, are the weights marked ??
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Would 18th century scales be marked " 30 klgr " ? The term kilo was accepted as an international unit of measure in 1792
They look quite attractive but i'm not sure on age. Maritime / Naval scales ?
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The only markings are 30 klgr. Nothing else that I can find. Weights didn't come with the piece. I was kind of thinking it could be a fish scale from late 1700s? ? Thoughts?
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
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Thank you so much it does give me more to work with....mine is much larger and more detail in the lions but it is a great starting point and I will research the name on this one!!
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From what I have found it is likely a Beranger balance, so 1800s. I have not found one as larger as this or with the lion fish....
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Take a wander through these, hopefully you might find it ;)
http://eng.vzvt.ru/museum-of-scales/beranger-balances.htm
**There is a 'Contact Us' link at the top of the page
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Thank you! I have sent them an email! :)
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
The posting I linked to lists the scales as 'Soviet'. Apparently, from what I have been reading, they were quite common in the Soviet countries…….though Beranger himself was French, many companies copied his invention. Several styles/makers are represented in the link to the Russian Museum of Weights and Scales.
The lion heads can be seen in the poster's picture of the scales he purchased…….lion's head with a fish body forming the 'legs' of the scale.
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
see Mart...she has a good source of $1 cheaters.... ;D
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
The posting I linked to lists the scales as 'Soviet'. Apparently, from what I have been reading, they were quite common in the Soviet countries…….though Beranger himself was French, many companies copied his invention. Several styles/makers are represented in the link to the Russian Museum of Weights and Scales.
The lion heads can be seen in the poster's picture of the scales he purchased…….lion's head with a fish body forming the 'legs' of the scale.
Yer Knees might be boogered ..but there,s nowt wrong wi yer peepers...well done you....
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
The posting I linked to lists the scales as 'Soviet'. Apparently, from what I have been reading, they were quite common in the Soviet countries…….though Beranger himself was French, many companies copied his invention. Several styles/makers are represented in the link to the Russian Museum of Weights and Scales.
The lion heads can be seen in the poster's picture of the scales he purchased…….lion's head with a fish body forming the 'legs' of the scale.
Yer Knees might be boogered ..but there,s nowt wrong wi yer peepers...well done you....
Well the worst of the boogered knees just took another beating a few minutes ago. Off the outside stairs and straight down onto frozen gravel covered in an inch of ice. Full hands and full weight = full contact. Sitting here with a bag of frozen fries (no frozen peas in this house). At least the knee is more 'balanced' now………swollen equally on both sides ;D
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Found a 'similar' set on Etsy, listed as 1940's Soviet. There is a name on the front of this one, might help with tracing the history of yours.
http://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/157511716/antique-scale-large-golden-birds-and?ref=market
Why are they Russian ? And where are the lions ?
The posting I linked to lists the scales as 'Soviet'. Apparently, from what I have been reading, they were quite common in the Soviet countries…….though Beranger himself was French, many companies copied his invention. Several styles/makers are represented in the link to the Russian Museum of Weights and Scales.
The lion heads can be seen in the poster's picture of the scales he purchased…….lion's head with a fish body forming the 'legs' of the scale.
But the Etsy link says Lions Head and i'm talking about that, not the original picture in this thread.
There are none on the scales in the link. Also little indication they were Soviet made, unless K.H is a soviet maker but not a mention of this in the description.
Can see perfectly well, Wull, thanks.
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But Sapphire never said there was lions neeps on Etsy link...she said they were on the original posters pic.... ;)
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
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Look on the bottom left and right on the etsy link pic !! I think that's what they are talking about !! Doesn`t look like golden birds,, looks like seahorses !!
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Here's a shot from the Russian site, seems to the the same or similar base………possibly dragons/griffons that they mistook for lions? And those do look more like small stylized seahorses or dragons on the top portion. This may be what they used as a basis for their description.
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Looks same as etsy link !! I agree Sapphire !!
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
You say Black I say White.......nothing changes.... ;)
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Here's a shot from the Russian site, seems to the the same or similar base………possibly dragons/griffons that they mistook for lions? And those do look more like small stylized seahorses or dragons on the top portion. This may be what they used as a basis for their description.
Yeah, just seems like they copied the info without explaining it. They are hardly lions on the scales they're selling.
Anywho, i think we can scratch 18th century from the description of those posted here. And the gilding looks brand new.
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
You say Black I say White.......nothing changes.... ;)
In your attempts of one upmanship you don't read the posts. Not a case of black or white, just inference based on other matters.
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
You say Black I say White.......nothing changes.... ;)
In your attempts of one upmanship you don't read the posts. Not a case of black or white, just inference based on other matters.
like i said....nothing changes......as for me not reading the posts...its a bit like the kettle calling the pot black....cos I never said....that you said Sapphire said that.... ;)
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I agree we can take 18th century out. ... the gilding looks prefect in the pic but that is after some serious cleaning and there are chunks out of it. Waiting to hear back from the museum hopefully they will share their thoughts. If anything I think the value is more than what I paid so I'm good with that ;D
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I agree we can take 18th century out. ... the gilding looks prefect in the pic but that is after some serious cleaning and there are chunks out of it. Waiting to hear back from the museum hopefully they will share their thoughts. If anything I think the value is more than what I paid so I'm good with that ;D
Profit is always a good thing !!
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
You say Black I say White.......nothing changes.... ;)
In your attempts of one upmanship you don't read the posts. Not a case of black or white, just inference based on other matters.
like i said....nothing changes......as for me not reading the posts...its a bit like the kettle calling the pot black....cos I never said....that you said Sapphire said that.... ;)
" But Sapphire never said there was lions neeps on Etsy link "
why else would you say that ? That sentence proves you think i misunderstood her.
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Maybe this site can help you out.
It is the site of the International Society of Weighing and Measuring. They have a contact section...no harm in asking!
http://www.iswm.org/antiquescales.aspx
Also note, the Etsy site has a few scales, all the same model, same condition for the same price from same seller. Watch history and see values.
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I didn't say Sapphire said. I said the Etsy links claims its Russian and with lions but there are none. If you read the Etsy listing they give no explanation.
You say Black I say White.......nothing changes.... ;)
In your attempts of one upmanship you don't read the posts. Not a case of black or white, just inference based on other matters.
like i said....nothing changes......as for me not reading the posts...its a bit like the kettle calling the pot black....cos I never said....that you said Sapphire said that.... ;)
" But Sapphire never said there was lions neeps on Etsy link "
why else would you say that ? That sentence proves you think i misunderstood her.
you forgot...."and there rest my case for the Prosecution".... ::)
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I just recently had an appraisal done on all my antiques getting ready for a move. Thought it might interest some to know this scale is from 1880 beranger scale used at the markets. Value is 350...I paid 65. :)
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Now that's a nice profit!
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Good little score there , jweams .
;)
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Thank you! I was presently surprised! The whole appraisal went about that way. I spent 600 total on my items everything apraised at 6,000! Im going to miss european antiquing! ! :-[ :P
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Good for you!!! Thanks for getting back to us!
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That's excellent !!