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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Lucy D on February 08, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
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The attachments show what was told to me to be a "nut cup." It looks like what I see in the Bohemian glassware category but the color is pink and it is very thin coat so that you can see very well through it. The top half is thick gold with 3 enamel forget me not flowers and leaves painted on the gold (blue, yellow, and purple flowers).
There are no markings to help me identify it. I have asked other antique dealers I work with but they have never seen anything like it. I have searched the internet, Ruby Lane, Kovels, even Ebay and not come across anything identified as a "nut cup."
The woman that gave it to me said it was used for fine dining when she held dinner parties and that it was old. She was a long time collector. I am not able to ask her for details.
I have searched and think it is close if not part of Moser Bohemian Cranberry glassware.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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http://antiques.about.com/cs/artglass/a/aa022404.htm
Here is a sample of Moser cranberry !! Yours can be classed as Bohemian but its not Moser !! Sorry to say I don`t see the same quality in your piece as the Moser glassware !! There are many different types of glassware similar to yours !!
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Thank you for your reply. I agree it doesn't meet the high quality of Moser. She said it was a nut cup but I find none online for any manufacturer. Any suggestion on time period?
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Actually I was trying to decide if that's what it is !! The flared top makes me think another use !! But let me check on a few things !!
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I've never used one (that's what they make pant legs for isn't it? ;)), but it might have came with an underplate and was intended as a "Finger Bowl".
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10165469 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10165469)
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I have to give you measurements. The top edge measures 2 1/4" x 1 3/4" tall. I have 8 in a set. The lady said they were bought for a time when they used "nut cups" at the dining table. I will venture a guess of 1950ish. Does that help?
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No !! They were past all that in the 50`s !! More 30`s or 40`s !!
Only if you have a cuff on those pants,, Rauville !!
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Just wondering,,have you tried using this cup ?? Put something small in the bottom and see how easily you can get it with your fingers !! May be a nut set but that shape is not what is normally seen !! Maybe KC will take a look tomorrow !!
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These remind me of individual salt cellars or bud vases.
You don't usually see something this small that the neck goes in and then flares out for a piece that you are putting your fingers in (this you would have to use one hand to pick up and pour into the other hand - then pick up with the first hand to politely place in the mouth). In 50's to 60's they still had salt dishes at fine dining. (Now I know some of you would say to simply pour the nuts into your mouth...but that wasn't proper etiquette!)
Look at the dimensions of this piece and notice the shape:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Louis-Comfort-Tiffany-Favrile-Iridescent-Art-Glass-Salt-Cellar-Marked-LCT-/350992331402 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Louis-Comfort-Tiffany-Favrile-Iridescent-Art-Glass-Salt-Cellar-Marked-LCT-/350992331402)
Granted she used these for nuts ( and I would have also) but nut sets were open and typically with flared sides or straight sides.
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My first thought was that it has a "drip" catching rim ... and/or the shape of a "spitoon".
Yup, there was such an animal.
Victorian Blue Opalescent Piasa Bird Spittoon
http://www.rubylane.com/item/868459-10201343/Victorian-Blue-Opalescent-Piasa-Bird (http://www.rubylane.com/item/868459-10201343/Victorian-Blue-Opalescent-Piasa-Bird)
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That's what I thought too KC !! Individual flower vase !! Even as a salt cellar seems to be wrong/odd shape !! Didn`t think about that Cogar !! It is shaped like a spittoon !!
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Wow you fellow antique lovers are too cool! Great idea about the spittoon I will definitely check out those links! Oh dear, do I dare share this with her ~
I have 8 of them in a set to sell, where would you recommend a price point?
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Its not unusual that items are used for a different purpose !! My thought is that they were individual vases for just a single flower with a short stem !! But anything is possible !! I think I would keep it to yourself till we get a better idea of true purpose !! Hard to give a value until we know what they are !!
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I will wait and confirm as you suggest before I post these lovelies on my website. I do see with a magnifying glass that there is a faint pontil mark on the bottom. I will check the others.
How would I get them appraised? Who would I look for? Would a jeweler be able to weigh the gold? The pictures were taken with a super macro lens so you don't see the great detail with the naked eye as the photos show. They are beautiful. The raised gold trim is actually textured and the other gold around it is smooth overlay. The cranberry color almost looks like a painted on wash. Not like flashed paint but a color that is in the glass itself. Does that sound right?
I now see many on the internet but none that have the gold overlay and enamel flowers. Price seems to be up in the air still.
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I have 2 more pictures. I went to the basement to check the other cups I have and found 8 more AND 2 little purple and gold with enamel flower jugs!
One of the cups did have a name on it, WIEN, written in gold. I also just spoke to the lady that gave these to me and she said they came from her friends estate sale. She thought they were from Austria as she traveled there. And that they were from the victorian era.
Hope this helps to ID these lovely items!
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Wien I believe is Vienna !! Why didn`t you show that before ?? Is anything else written anywhere ??
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I didn't show it before because I didn't know I had it on the other cups in my basement. I assumed they were all the same. But I went to get them this afternoon and found 8 more cups and the 2 plum/purple mini jar with gold handle as I noted in previous post. What does Vienna mean to you?
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I just weighed them. They vary between 43 to 68 grams each and the 2 plum mini jugs each weigh 100/101 grams (between 0.24 to 0.37 oz.). So they are hand blown.
They are interesting when you look into them in the light. They look transparent in the light but they are gold when seen on a table.
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Great idea about the spittoon ........... Oh dear, do I dare share this with her ~
"Oh dear," ........ what?
Nothing wrong with "spittoons", ....... cause I'd like to have 8 like these, to wit:
These two ladies' spittoons, about 3 inches across, sold at the 2004 International Carnival Glass Association convention auction. The white one sold for $6,500; the marigold for $6,250.
In 2010, two more spittoons sold; a honey amber for $2,300 and a white for $4,000. In 2011, a white example brought $3,000. In 2012, two in honey amber sold for $2,150 and $2,500; a white example for $3,300. In 2013, one in honey amber brought $2,100. http://www.ddoty.com/cosmoscane.html (http://www.ddoty.com/cosmoscane.html)
From "Spittoons & Cuspidors" link: http://www.ddoty.com/shapes.html (http://www.ddoty.com/shapes.html)
Here is a "nut bowl" that one can get their fingers in. ;D
http://www.rubylane.com/item/285513-122005479/Whimsey-Ruffled-Marigold-Carnival-Glass (http://www.rubylane.com/item/285513-122005479/Whimsey-Ruffled-Marigold-Carnival-Glass)
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Hey cogar, ladies used "cuspidors" men used spittoons! :)
And yes this is the shape of one...but they are very small compared to the average size of a cuspidor AND you didn't see them sold in sets like this (unless maybe for a ladies club! LOL)
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If Vienna at least you know they are made in Austria !! Can at least look in the right country !!
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Hey cogar, ladies used "cuspidors" men used spittoons! :)
AND you didn't see them sold in sets like this (unless maybe for a ladies club! LOL)
Uh, ... uh, .... KC, ....... how many would ya like to purchase? ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af315/SamC_40/catalogglassware.jpg)
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Yeah !! We wish !!
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HA, .... da Devil made me do dat, .....justa be funnin KC,
Anyway, that old Baltimore warehouse Distributor's Catalog is one of the better "books on antique" that we have. Violet salvaged it out of the attic of an old General Store.
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Is the date on that page you posted Jan 1908 ?? I would be happy with any of those "bargain day" specials !!
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cogar I'm with Mart if those prices are still good! LOL :)
They made some mighty fancy cuspidors/spittoons - especially during the tuberculosis outbreaks/threat! The pocket sized ones made for that time are worth a good penny!!! Cuspidors were also used at tables when you ate items that may have pits or seeds - not always for the spit or chew!
I still just don't believe these were used for cuspidors/spittoons...just are made in the "shape" of the typical spittoon...and is a bud vase/dish.
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I agree, KC, me thinks they are far to fancy and delicate to be used as tableware that would have to be washed and dried after every time used.
Mart, ..... yes, the date is 1908.
It came out of an old GS "up in the country" where Violet grew up and was owned by two (2) never-married brothers named Krafft.
Violet often recounts some of the times she had to "walk-over-the-hill" to get something from the store.
Those catalogs were mailed to the retail stores and the propietor would order his/her merchandice from them which would be shipped via RR and/or horse drawn wagon.
Before the Rail Roads were built to haul timber, coal and coke out it was a chore to get anywhere in western Virginia other than by flat-boat or paddle wheeler.
Lincoln didn't "force" western Virginia into seceding from Virginia because it sided with the North during the Civil War. It was because Lincoln wanted control of "the Rail Road to the Ohio River" .... cause without it he would have lost the War.
And thus, Lincoln violated the COTUS and got what he wanted.
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Hello,
I thought I would write back to say I resolved the "nut cup" question. I was on a board for glass collectors from the UK. I figured if I couldn't find any information then I need to try a shot across the pond! It appears these little pretties are simply souvenir cups and still made today. Basically what I have learned is this:
They are probably Bohemian made, with a technique used called "raised enamel and gold" (if they were Italian made they would be turbo furoco), the gold is probably 24k (she said almost always gold building is 24k), each layer would have required an annealing round (to heat up and cool slowly process), the producer over the years has been Egermann and the responder to my question said he would not be surprised if it was Egermann manufactured. Similar items have been around since 1880's. Unfortunately, in collectors terms they are not considered valuable.
That last part he did not expound on so I have no idea on a price point. Anyone have any thoughts on a price? I have one on my website, RefreshedForYou. They are very lovely when they are all polished and displayed.
Thanks for your help.
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Very smart to think about doing that !! I am just glad you now know what they are !! Souvenir cups,,,guess that's why they are marked on the side,,although I did not even think about souvenirs !! Did you ask about the amethyst ones ??
My personal thought would be $7.50 to $12.50 each on the small "nut" cups !! Depending on who is shopping !!
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The amethyst one was what tipped off the lady from the UK. Because of its size, and yes the name on the side was the other tip. I would imagine they see a lot more of these than we do being so close to tourist industry and Bohemian country side. The price you picked is exactly what I chose to go for. I give discounts on my website for multiple purchases so hopefully the will sell.
That was a very invigorating experience!!
Cheers!
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Glad you got some resolution! So is it a souvenir "drinking" cup? You would never be able to get a last drop! :)
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We hope they sell well for you !! Let is know what the final price is if you sell auction style !!