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Title: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: micaela on February 18, 2014, 01:59:56 PM

Hi, I take this bronze bird. And I like know more from here. Who is GESCHÜTZT? Who is the maker, country, time?

Thanks

Micaela

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Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: frogpatch on February 18, 2014, 03:45:11 PM

He was Austrian from what I read. There are many pieces out there that seem to be "after" him. In other words they are copies of the original that bear his name, made for a secondary market. Pieces seem to be selling in the 100-200 dollar range. Depose is the French word for copyright or trademark

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: Rauville on February 18, 2014, 04:07:53 PM

I'm probably wrong, but I've always thought that the mark of "Geschutzt" translated roughly to "Protected" by patent or copyright.

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: KC on February 19, 2014, 12:12:35 AM

Rauville is correct!  It is German and means protected!

Used in Germany and Austria.

Please identify any initials on the piece! 

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: micaela on February 19, 2014, 06:57:35 AM

Hi, Dont take initial or sign on the piece. The unique I see is geschutzt 2 times, 1229 2 times, and depose.
Regards
Micaela

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: Ipcress on February 19, 2014, 12:11:32 PM

There is a bronze figurine by the celebrated Austrian sculptor Franz Bergman ( sometimes see his name backwards - Namgreb - on items ) which is numbered 1229. However, it's a magpie on it's own.

Look on the tree carefully - do you see any other impressed marks ? Maybe an urn / vase shape ?

Could be the magpie is numbered 1229 and this is a trial piece. Could be a good Chinese fake.

You should have it appraised first hand at a good auction house

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: micaela on February 19, 2014, 02:04:50 PM

I found this
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20172/lot/724/

is probably yo tell ipcress

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: KC on February 19, 2014, 09:08:14 PM

Pretty clear why the one at Bonham's warranted such a grand price.  Such a beautiful lifelike piece!

Unfortunately, Micaela, yours isn't finished like that one.

If you search, you will see MANY brass/bronze items with the same markings as yours.

If my eyes aren't deceiving me when I enlarge your markings picture, I am seeing "jul" in left hand section under the GES?!

Also, is that a plug or nail head in the top left hand section?

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: frogpatch on February 21, 2014, 01:34:01 PM

Funny I took German in High School and not French but I knew the French word and not the German. Ich bin dumm Kopf

Title: Re: Antique bronze bird standing on the branch, marked "GESCHÜTZT 1229 DEPOSE"
Post by: ghopper1924 on February 23, 2014, 12:31:38 PM

aber bist du ein Berliner??