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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: KevinM on May 26, 2014, 07:59:18 PM
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I purchased this Sugar Bowl a few days ago at the TS and have been trying to determine if it's Wedgwood or made by someone else. I've searched all over for another one like it with the same lid motif pattern and stamp #24 on the bottom without a Wedgwood mark on it but I can't find anything out there.
The Sugar Bowl is stamped on the bottom with the number 24 but I don't see any other impressed markings. I know Wedgwood's should have a maker mark so I think it may have been a weak impressed mark *maybe* (I've had some that were almost impossible to make out or see without a loop and bright light). It measures about 5 inches in height with the lid on and the bottom rim measures about 3 1/2 inches in width.
I think I see something that looks like letters on it in areas on the bottom of it but I'm not sure. The Sugar Bowl looks like Wedgwood and feels and looks old with lots of crazing on the inside and out. I guess it could be a more modern piece made by someone else perhaps that has had a rough life, I'm not sure right now.
Does anyone know if this is a Wedgwood Sugar Bowl or who may have made it if it's not Wedgwood and when it may have been made?
Thanks!
Kevin
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Here's a picture below of the complete tea set I got at the TS with the sugar bowl listed above. It includes the sugar bowl, creamer and teapot all with I think is know as a pale blue color with white motif.
The creamer has the shape number 30 impressed into the bottom and writing in some kind of ink that I think says "creamer" the number "49" with a line through it and the number "101".
The teapot has the shape number 24 impressed into the bottom and writing in some kind of ink that I think says "VVC" or "VVL" and I think the number "101" but I'm not sure.
Any help on who made this tea set and when would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Kevin
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So now the question is, would it be possible for this to be an early period Wedgwood tea set?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Was looking earlier for this set and found a set that sounded similar for sale in Wales as Wedgwood,light blue !! He only had 5 odd pieces but I haven`t had time to get in much research !! Garden you know !!
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I wouldn't have initially though this was Wedgwood. More like Adams. It's easier to tell when handled.
* Actually, when enlarging one of the other images ( quality of the " pate sur pate " ) and seeing that impressed number, it might be Wedgwood.
If you want to be sure, e-mail the Wedgwood museum. You should get a response after a few days. Their curators and researchers will recognise the design if it's one of their earlier ones. I know ones like Dancing Hours but not this..
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Mart thanks for looking, I know the Garden is Priority! :)
Ipcress, I was thinking it was possibly Adams also after doing some research, but, like you, the quality of the pate sur pate and the impressed numbers had me wondering and thinking it might be Wedgwood, just was not certain... I just keep feeling it's old Wedgwood, look, feel, quality, although I have not seen and handled too many old jasper dip pieces... Perhaps, like you say, an email to the Wedgwood museum would be the next step to be sure.
Thanks!
Kevin
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Having looked at the extra images you posted, i think it is.
If you haven't sent them images yet, i could do it for you. I could contact their collections department in a " working " capacity and then report back here ! ;D
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Having looked at the extra images you posted, i think it is.
If you haven't sent them images yet, i could do it for you.
Ipcress, I haven't sent them the images yet. If you want, you could do it and report back here.
I could contact their collections department in a " working " capacity and then report back here ! ;D
I don't know what you mean by contacting their collections department in a "working" capacity. I would not be able to pay you a fee for contacting them and reporting back here or pay them "their collections department" for research on the items if that is what you mean. I guess I'm confused on what that means.
Thanks,
Kevin
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No, no, no...you've misunderstood.
I've dealt with them on a number of occasions. All i meant was it might speed up the process if i contacted them on your behalf
Fees ?! It's a free forum with free advice.
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No, no, no...you've misunderstood.
I've dealt with them on a number of occasions. All i meant was it might speed up the process if i contacted them on your behalf
Fees ?! It's a free forum with free advice.
Ipcress, that's great! It would be greatly appreciated if you contacted them on my behalf and report back here with any information! I'm sorry about misunderstanding.
Thanks!
Kevin
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Ipcress, just wondering if you've heard anything back from the Wedgwood museum?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Sorry, Kevin - i missed your reply saying it was o.k
I've done it now - should know within a day or so.
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Sorry, Kevin - i missed your reply saying it was o.k
I've done it now - should know within a day or so.
That's ok, no problem, I can wait.
I'll be looking forward to what they have to say about it!
Thanks Ipcress!
Kevin
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Ipcress, did you ever receive any information back from the Wedgwood Museum?
Kevin
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He just got back from holiday, Kevin !! He might need to catch up a bit !!
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It sure looks like Wedgewood Jasperware....but it is one of those that the museum can answer immediately. Otherwise the feel of an item really makes a difference if you have handled enough of them.
Beautiful pieces. Not sure how I missed the original posts.
Hopefully Ipcress will be along soon! :)
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Ok, thanks Mart and KC! :)
Kevin
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I'll check my e-mails tomorrow ( can't login from here ) but i'll have a repsonse. ( probably have hundreds with being away for weeks )
I think they're good pieces - be nice to know exactly though.
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BTW, did you reply about the impressed number on one of the bases ? Can partially see it in one of the images
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Welcome back Ipcress! :) The Sugar Bowl is impressed on the bottom with the number 24 and the teapot has the number 24 impressed into the bottom and writing in some kind of ink that I think says "VVC" or "VVL" and I think the number "101" but I'm not sure. The creamer has the number 30 impressed into the bottom and writing in some kind of ink that I think says "creamer" the number "49" with a line through it and the number "101".
Thanks!
Kevin
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The pencil marks are just shop or seller stock info - don't think it's 101, more likely it's " 10/- " for ten shillings, no pence ( in old GB money )
Anyway - i've come back to a mountain of stuff so i'll crack on !
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My smiter has returned. Pathetic, whoever you are.
Ben at the museum seems to think they might be early Dudson, who copied some of the Wedgwood patterns. I've e-mailed Dudson's museum to confirm.
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The pencil marks are just shop or seller stock info - don't think it's 101, more likely it's " 10/- " for ten shillings, no pence ( in old GB money )
Ipcress, now that I look at it I think you are right, it is a "10/" and I had no idea that would have been for ten shillings, no pence in old GB money. Thanks for that information as I would have been clueless to that fact.
That's great news that Ben at the museum has looked at the pottery. I would never have guessed Dudson, I looked around on the internet after reading this and haven't found any like the ones I have made by Dudson yet but I am still looking. Let's wait and see what the Dudson museum has to say as I'm sure they would know if they made it.
Thanks!
Kevin
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Just found the same classic lady on this piece!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Powder-Blue-Jasperware-Wedgwood-England-Pitcher-Classical-Design-1891-98/161292034332?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D8660122760890986810%26pid%3D100204%26prg%3D20140407115239%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D131252798530 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Powder-Blue-Jasperware-Wedgwood-England-Pitcher-Classical-Design-1891-98/161292034332?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D8660122760890986810%26pid%3D100204%26prg%3D20140407115239%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D131252798530)
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The pencil marks are just shop or seller stock info - don't think it's 101, more likely it's " 10/- " for ten shillings, no pence ( in old GB money )
Ipcress, now that I look at it I think you are right, it is a "10/" and I had no idea that would have been for ten shillings, no pence in old GB money. Thanks for that information as I would have been clueless to that fact.
That's great news that Ben at the museum has looked at the pottery. I would never have guessed Dudson, I looked around on the internet after reading this and haven't found any like the ones I have made by Dudson yet but I am still looking. Let's wait and see what the Dudson museum has to say as I'm sure they would know if they made it.
Thanks!
Kevin
If you look at the following page you'll see how they copied Wedgwood's Dancing Hours pattern to the finest detail. Also, the jug at the bottom is a similar period to yours ( also marked 24 ) and also bears a Wedgwood designed pattern - classical muses and figures between those column partitions
http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk/shopping/20754-Dudson-1-bin.html
On this Ebay page you'll see a very similar teapot but 1877 Wedgwood. Same shape, very similar pattern but a wonderful finial.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-WEDGWOOD-COBALT-BLUE-JASPERWARE-TEA-POT-WIDOW-FIGURE-FINIAL-/380925168395?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item58b0e8cb0b&nma=true&si=I9aZRXv%252FXlEJb5LsZdZ3Tz9ldpo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
I think if we looked long enough we'd find the equivalent Dudson teapot
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Ipcress and KC, those links with the Dudson and Wedgwood items and information seem very convincing to me that the items I have are made by Dudson. Will be curious to see what the Dudson museum responds with.
Thanks!
Kevin