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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: VoodooDolly on July 13, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
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My grandmother gave this to me this morning, and I've been nose-deep in the web all day trying to find out about it.
Here is where I'm at:
I believe it's Victorian because of the materials (iron, wicker, and cloth), the general style of it, and the "CARTOY" stamp on the little hubcaps.
What I'm wondering, though, is if that can be narrowed down to a smaller era of production (or corrected if I'm dead wrong). "Victorian" spans a lot of years...
Anyone familiar with these or have a thought? Thank you in advance!
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Can you give us the height to the top of the wicker sides and approx. length back to front ?? And that's all it has on it ?? Have you turned it upside down and looked ??
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Can you give us the height to the top of the wicker sides and approx. length back to front ?? And that's all it has on it ?? Have you turned it upside down and looked ??
It's approximately 17" to the top of the wicker, 12" wide from wheel to wheel, and the handle on it is about 20" long. I did turn it over as soon as it came home, and the only manufacturing marks that I can find on it are the ones on the wheel caps.
I don't know if this is helpful at all, but the wheels are made of cylindrical metal as opposed to the flat, ribbon-like kind. That seems significant in my brain, but it might not help in the dating process at all.
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Can you take a pic of the words on the wheels ?? I am not coming up with anything !! Need to see it please !!
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Hi! Can you please also post a picture of the handle - it doesn't show. Was trying to figure out if the handle is similar to what you would find on a wagon. That would determine if it was a "pull behind" stroller, or if it has handles, which would make it a push stroller. Thanks!
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That would determine if it was a "pull behind" stroller,
That's what I was thinking, KC.
And I think I got lucky and found this, to wit:
(https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/6314416/il_340x270.339658645.jpg)
Here is the "link" to the photo.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/100570842/vintage-antique-photo-of-cute-baby-in-a?ref=market (https://www.etsy.com/listing/100570842/vintage-antique-photo-of-cute-baby-in-a?ref=market)
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Good going there Cogar !! That one is sure similar,, just for a real baby instead of a doll !!
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Can you take a pic of the words on the wheels ?? I am not coming up with anything !! Need to see it please !!
I believe "Cartoy" was the name used by the Carriage & Toy Co. located in Baltimore, MD.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/12110908_carriage-and-toy-co-wicker-baby-doll-carriage-with (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/12110908_carriage-and-toy-co-wicker-baby-doll-carriage-with)
The business was owned by Frank Wissig, who died in 1932. I can not find any information regarding the company after that date.
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You guys are wonderful! Thank you for finding what you did. I found a little excerpt from a book, Annual Report of the Bureau of Industrial Statistics in Maryland, and they're showing the company active in 1879, so this could still be Victorian, but it could also be later. Hah!
http://books.google.com/books?id=VZQ-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=carriage+and+toy+company+maryland&source=bl&ots=sOnP-Y1YQv&sig=pykALIDvfpGQneQIC6YhPwlPx9A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KuPDU9XVI8-ayASSmoL4Bw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=carriage%20and%20toy%20company%20maryland&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=VZQ-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=carriage+and+toy+company+maryland&source=bl&ots=sOnP-Y1YQv&sig=pykALIDvfpGQneQIC6YhPwlPx9A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KuPDU9XVI8-ayASSmoL4Bw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=carriage%20and%20toy%20company%20maryland&f=false)
It is a pull kind. My phone is being stubborn and refusing to get the photo to my laptop, will post as soon as it arrives. Here is a photo of the CARTOY mark.
I'm going to keep digging for information. Y'all have been so helpful already! :)
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Here's a very similar one on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-BABY-Buggy-Carriage-WICKER-Wooden-Iron-Wheels-1800s-STROLLER-Doll-PULL-/261530636934?pt=Antiques_Furniture&hash=item3ce470d286 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-BABY-Buggy-Carriage-WICKER-Wooden-Iron-Wheels-1800s-STROLLER-Doll-PULL-/261530636934?pt=Antiques_Furniture&hash=item3ce470d286)
I'm trying to figure out pricing for my booth on this. This is higher than I'd want to tag it, but it gives me an idea at least.
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Can you take a pic of the words on the wheels ?? I am not coming up with anything !! Need to see it please !!
I believe "Cartoy" was the name used by the Carriage & Toy Co. located in Baltimore, MD.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/12110908_carriage-and-toy-co-wicker-baby-doll-carriage-with (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/12110908_carriage-and-toy-co-wicker-baby-doll-carriage-with)
The business was owned by Frank Wissig, who died in 1932. I can not find any information regarding the company after that date.
So, I'm digging around on these names, and I'm thinking that he may have inherited the business from his father. The records I've found state that Frank Wissig was born in 1871, but the company is listed as active by the Maryland Bureau of Industrial Statistics in 1879. ?
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Actually I think that is an excellent price for it !! Doll collectors love this type of item and its not outrageously expensive !!
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I agree, especially if in good shape.
A little history...original baby strollers were "pull behind" in style. In the 1850's Charles Burton, American inventor, created the push stroller (which wasn't accepted well in US because parents would run them into others walking). So, he took it overseas n it became a hit with English Royalty. He filed a patent in 1852 for a "perambulator" stroller which became known as the Pram.
The popularity of the "pull behind" stroller waned in the early 1900's and the forward pushing became a norm in the 1920's.
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So then, do y'all think I'd be safe labeling it Victorian? I'm brand new to selling, and I don't ever want to misrepresent anything.
And again, thank you so much for all the feedback and information!
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OK That was confusing so re-doing that post !! You can say Victorian or Victorian Revival !! No problem !!
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Yours would be Victorian Revival !! But most people fail to add the "Revival" to be correct as to time period !!
Now my "new" is really going to show:
What does that mean? Victorian revival? In antiques, does Victorian mean something different than in history? I thought the Victorian period lasted until right after the turn of the 20th century...? Help! :-\
P.S. Sorry for being such a needy newbie. And thank you.
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Will explain tomorrow!! I knew that would confuse !!
The Victorian period is between 1837 and about 1901 when the Queen died !! But that is argued by some because the style as such was somewhere between that period !! That is a technicality !! There was a resurgence in the style about 1880 and lasted to about 1920 !!Before that a few other designers were making themselves known so the interest in Victorian as a decorating style was fading somewhat !! A few were trying to revive it !! Then came the Art Noveau period as well as a few other decorating styles so Victorian was pushed to the background because it was not the buying publics choice anymore !! Not much different from how styles evolve today !! Most refer to the items made between the 1880 date and about 1920 as Victorian Revival !! Even though all are technically Victorian in style no matter when they were made !! Hope this clarifies a bit !!
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Sure does. Thanks!
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I'll hop in here...and Mart will come back when she gets out of the garden! :)
Without a hands on it is hard to say from your pictures if your piece is actually a "true Victorian" piece (made during the Reign of Queen Victorian from 1837 - 1901), or if it is Victorian Revival (a revival of the style; made in the likeness of items from the Victorian era. Items can be made exactly as Victorian items or have some eclectic flair added.)
From what I see I would surmise that it is from the early 1900's. It appears that the back of yours is moveables - up to sit or down to lay? You didn't see many that were moveable (the back goes up and down.)
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Mart, thanks for the input.
It does have a moveable back. It doesn't recline all the way. It latches to keep the back completely upright, and when released it goes back about an inch and a half.
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That last post was from KC !! But she is right,, sometimes its difficult to tell which dates are correct for an item !! Don`t let that worry you though,,very few use the Victorian Revival term except for furniture and not many use it for that !! People undertstand simply "Victorian" and that's what I would use for yours !! I agree on the date KC gave but with most things you have a 20 year leeway,,10 years before or after !! That's about as close as you can get unless you can find a catalogue for the company and even then,, you will not know how long they were made !! Just don`t get too technical with your listing,,say it`s Victorian and if they ask,, then go into detail !!
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Oof...sorry, KC! :-[