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Title: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: icedgold10 on September 14, 2014, 07:29:39 PM

It is a religious piece as you can tell.  It's a small fabric panel 9 1/2" x 6 1/2".  The back is plain.  Looking for country, meaning ect.  Thank you.

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: mart on September 14, 2014, 07:34:43 PM

Absolutely no clue !!

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: icedgold10 on September 14, 2014, 07:39:37 PM

Haha  makes 2 of us.

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: mart on September 14, 2014, 08:01:29 PM

Whoever that is sitting there does not look happy !!

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: Rauville on September 14, 2014, 09:08:37 PM

Just guessing, but to me looks like the King of Poland, Przemysl II about 1295 AD. ???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Seal_of_Przemys%C5%82_II_King_of_Poland_from_1296.PNG/250px-Seal_of_Przemys%C5%82_II_King_of_Poland_from_1296.PNG)

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: icedgold10 on September 15, 2014, 01:49:11 AM

WOW!!!!!  I think you have got it!   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:POL_Przemys%C5%82_II_ca._1350_COA.svg  Excellent work!

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: Mat on September 15, 2014, 03:06:20 AM

Hi, my guess is that it is emperor Heinrich VI, look here: http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Kaiser_Friedrich_II._Der_Wegbereiter_der_Renaissance/I._Der_staufische_Reichsgedanke . Seems that someone was inspired by the famous Manesse codex. The "Reichsapfel", the globe with the cross on it, was also a symbol of power of the Holy Roman Emperors...
Mat

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: icedgold10 on September 15, 2014, 07:16:37 AM

Mat , that is identical to the pictorial on my fabric.  Do you know if these were used as decorations or on robes traditionally?  I haven't got a grip on the age of the fabric.  If you smell it close up it has a bit of a mineral type smell.  Not really sure how to describe it.  I'm thinking you hit the nail on the head though.  Thank you.

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: Mat on September 15, 2014, 08:19:57 AM

I understand your pictorial as a kind of "copy" of the depiction in the Codex Manesse. The codex itself (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Manesse) was not known to a broader public before C20, I think, and so it is unlikely that your fabric is older than that. I do not think it was used on a robe, but rather that it is some kind of souvenir, maybe from Heidelberg, where the codex is kept in the library.
Mat

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: icedgold10 on September 15, 2014, 08:28:08 AM

C20  = 20th century????

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: Mat on September 15, 2014, 08:51:03 AM

Yes, that is what I tried to say!  :)

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: KC on September 15, 2014, 02:03:18 PM

Unlike the other pictures....yours has him holding an orb.  Is it the Imperial Orb of the Roman Empire?

You can even buy mugs!  :)

(http://rlv.zcache.com/kaiser_heinrich_vi_holy_roman_emperor_1191_mug-rcc9ce8ceaeed4164b38fddd13afae80a_x7jsg_8byvr_324.jpg)

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on September 15, 2014, 03:11:17 PM

Mat

what is your IQ?   

unbelievable.

Title: Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
Post by: Mat on September 16, 2014, 05:23:35 AM

Hi sugarcube5419, I do not think my IQ is so special (and I never dared to check it) , I just remember things I have seen once quite well, and it happend that I have a book with all the miniature paintings of the Codex Manesse!  ;) Mat