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Title: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
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Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 04:46:35 AM: No, isn't, at least not period American, possibly english though.
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 05:40:14 AM: A couple of american W&M candlestands
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 05:49:34 AM: What claims is period english with feet similar to yours, if you notice, the central turning is doweled into a block at base with feet attached to block. Your stand has feet attached directly into central post .
http://www.onlinegalleries.com/art-and-antiques/detail/william-and-mary-period-walnut-candle-stand/229426
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: Kingofthekats on March 22, 2016, 08:37:36 AM: So do you think this is English from William and Mary period 1690s?
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 10:39:03 AM: No, i do not, the construction is "wrong". Is it possible that this is a country version that is in period, it's possible i guess, almost anything is really. Generally speaking, the legs attaching directly to the central column did not occur until the Queen Anne period (just after W&M) and, they were usually attached with dovetails into the column with an iron brace on the bottom. I am speaking of American construction here, hopefully someone who is familiar with english pieces will stop by and offer some insight.
Where are all the Limeys today?
I would guess this is a 19th century or later repro. of an english W&M candle stand
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: Ipcress on March 22, 2016, 01:10:24 PM: I'd say later than W & M, possibly 19th, and might have been through the trade a few times.
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 01:26:31 PM: And there we have it! Ipcress is in GB so he should know. Your stand just doesn't have the construction details one normally sees in period W&M stuff on either side of the pond. You didn't say where you are, where you got it, etc. which would help in evaluation of your stand
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: mart on March 22, 2016, 04:03:28 PM: Its sure been somewhere !! I would just call this an English Country candle stand !! Its not enough of any style to say it is one !! 1st half of 19th century hard to get it any closer than that !! The thickness and weight would tell me its a country piece !! It lacks the refinement of period stands !! Just my little ole` opinion !!
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: Kingofthekats on March 22, 2016, 04:41:25 PM: Thank you everyone for your answers very informative, I got this in Pennsylvania
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 04:48:35 PM: Candle stands were not produced in the US after about 1830, they were just not stable enough to support whale oil lamps which gave people real "light" for the first time in human history. Four legged "light stands", now called work stands came into being during the sheraton and hepplewhite period or federal period here in the USA and candle stands went nite nite so to speak. They were just to dangerous in the age of whale oil and then later, kerosene lamps.
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 04:55:41 PM: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, pennsylvania, that makes sense! The turning is heavy, typical of PA. german work in the 18th -19th centuries. Your stand could very well be an american federal era candle stand made right there in ol' PA. in the style of W&M.
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: Kingofthekats on March 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM: That is awesome thank you so much, what would the value if genuine, a federal candle stand table be?
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 05:18:06 PM: Well, not a lot, they simply do not have much function in today's world, is it walnut? it looks like walnut. I would guess $200-$300 in todays market. 19th century 4 legged work stands don't bring much more if any unless very well built with tiger maple or some other highly figured wood in which case considerably more.
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: mart on March 22, 2016, 05:20:53 PM: Didn`t think about that Jacon4 !! But you are right,, sure could be !!
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: Kingofthekats on March 22, 2016, 05:24:15 PM: I still like the table very much it looks great for how old it is
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: mart on March 22, 2016, 05:31:40 PM: I like it too stains, burns and all !! Is this a family item ??
Title: Re: Is this a william and mary CandleStand Table The feet look similar to others.
Post by: jacon4 on March 22, 2016, 08:49:00 PM: Yes, looking at it now in a totally different light (no pun intended!) so to speak. I would say it is in fact a period piece, just not william & mary. The whole W&M thing through me off but, as soon as PA entered the discussion i was on firmer ground. 30 years ago or so, your stand would be worth much more than it is today, time has not been kind to values in antique furniture, it's just one of those is what it is kinda things. Old furniture just isn't in fashion these days plus with down sizing of retired people in a boom time, an OCEAN of product to choose from.