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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: jdavidn on April 22, 2016, 10:27:10 AM
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Made by imperial in grand rapids, under the top by the pedestal is the imperial sticker and shield along with number 55 and number 1142. Excellent condition. Does anyone have an idea of the value
I will always keep it, but curious.
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Got photos?
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I have tried several times to load a photo, get response cannot open this page
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If it is a tilting table top with the fluted pie edge the value is totally contingent upon condition of the piece, the intricacy of the edges on the table and the area you are in.
You can search Imperial tilt top table fluted edge and see what the going rates are. (Averages $90 - $150)
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Yes, I have done searches and find such a broad price range based on what people want for an identical table. Anywhere from 250.00 to over 400.00. I am in Texas and want a matching table, but do not want to over pay. Hoping for someone knowledgeable in antiques/vintage who may know a reasonable price.
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I have tried several times to load a photo, get response cannot open this page
Sounds like you have a bad url link to where ever the photo is stored.
Try copying or uploading the photo to your PC ...... and then upload it from your PC to AFQ.
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KC and I are both in Texas !! Her prices are correct for that type table !! Because someone asks a price does not mean its worth it !! There is a nice one on ebay now for $100. BIN,, another looks like identical table is priced at $500+. !! The difference in the two looks like a coat of Old English Dark oil !!
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Right, which is why I don't want to pay what someone wants but reasonable value. I had previously checked eBay and saw one listed for $100.00, but when opening the ad, it shows $450. I found one today I purchased for $65.00 also made by imperial with a mahogany registration number. So, I'm satisfied.
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Great deal!
In what area of TX are you?
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Mmmm,, that's odd, I clicked on that ad and did not find that !! Just $100. !! Yes,, where are you located ?? I am in NE Texas !! About halfway between Dallas and Texarkana !! You got a good deal !!
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I bought it in Waco
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Have not been to Waco, but know a few of the smaller towns !! Brother has a BBQ restaurant in Clifton,,not far from there !! Spent a couple of months in that area helping with the artwork and rehabbing a house for them !! Smaller towns are good for bargains at garage sales ect !!
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I usually find great deals at Cedar Chest in McGregor, Cameron Trading in Waco, Laverty's in Waco is open sporadically and some really great items most of the time, some over priced, but some great deals, if you ever go through Lorena off 35 outside of Waco there are two stores there. One is the most amazing antique store I have ever been in, very stunning old bank building with antiques like I have never seen anywhere else. They have many European items.
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My favorite house renovation show is Fixer Upper filmed out of Waco! Looks like a town I would love to live in!
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Love the Waco area! Just don't get down there often.
Jisherf, we enjoy Fixer Upper as well. Joanna came an spoke at our church women's group and Chip is speaking at the men's conference soon. They are down to earth, family loving people that got a great opportunity to expand their lives while staying grounded!
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KC that is awesome! I would love to spend a day with Joanna! How great you got to hear her speak! You sure can tell they are Christians from their show!
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Late to this thread but, these were tea tables that came first into being during the Chippendale era . The best examples were built in Philadelphia & Virginia and were complex & difficult to build. A 3 foot in diameter by 2 inch thick piece of wood was first turned on a lathe to "dish" it out & the edge was carved into the "pie crust". The "bird cage" beneath the top served 2 functions, you could tilt the top up vertically for storage and, in the table position the top turned in a "lazy susan" fashion to serve tea.
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Here is a period Philadelphia example that sold for 6.7 million
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Its quite a piece but out of my financial category !!
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Oh yeah, is for most but, you can get a nice period example in the 10k-15k range which, ain't exactly cheap either but much more affordable than millions. This is formal type furniture which most can't fit or place well in today's homes. Not exactly the kind of piece you want the grand kids sitting around!
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/tables/card-tables-tea-tables/chippendale-pie-crust-tilt-top-table/id-f_1092084/
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Or sitting drinks on !! I can just see all the water rings I would have !!
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Totally agree. The mahogany original pieces are COLLECTIBLE!!!!
Most tilt tips were made in mass production (and still being made) and still nice but not to the tune of the collectible pieces in value!
Jacon4, I personally haven't seen one that would rotate like a lazy susan. That would take some artistry/skill and they would be well worth much more!
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Hey KC, period ones do rotate, a nice feature for serving if you are having a tea party with cream/milk, sugar, biscuits,cakes, etc. In this link which i posted above for a 15k period table, there are 7 pics, if you click through them, you will see one with the top of table off and a large dowel that top rotates around..
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/tables/card-tables-tea-tables/chippendale-pie-crust-tilt-top-table/id-f_1092084/
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You know,,(don`t say anything Jacon4) for 6.7 mil. you would think they could afford a bit of lemon oil on it !! Looks dry and dusty !!
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why cant i say anything! Here is an article about a related tea table that mentions the above posted 6 million table. What do these 2 philly tea tables have in common? The carver, no one knows who he was, he is referred to as the "Garvan Carver" because his work was first discovered in the Garvan collection. There are 30 pieces known at this time that were carved by this guy who worked in Philadelphia around 1750. KILLER workmanship no doubt. Below is a pic of another garvan carved table in the article that was sold just after the 6 million table, interesting article about events that happened long ago.
http://www.nysun.com/arts/honey-please-use-a-coaster/69550/
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I meant, don`t say anything about me wanting to put a little lemon oil on it !! :D Now that last one is what they should look like !!
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LOL, well, they were both carved by the same man, the difference? The 6 million table has it's original finish which is very rare for a piece that old. It offers a chance to examine how a finish was formulated and applied in the 1750s. But yes, aside from the academic research involved, i'd rather have the tea table with the newer finish as it shows what the builder intended his table to look like.
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I would add that as attractive as those period pie crust tea tables are, they do not hold the record price for an American tea table, that belongs to the Brown family tea table built by John Goddard, Newport RI about 1760. This little cutie sold for 8.4 million and, i kinda doubt there will be many tea parties served on it!
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Now you are talking Jacon4 !! Love his work !! Goddard/Townsend did fantastic furniture !! Just hard to tell who made what !!
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I don't think there will be many tea parties on that as well! :) I do like the looks of it though! Wonder if the top lifts off like a tray?
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Wonder if the top lifts off like a tray?
No, it doesn't, it's called a "tray top" table though and the edge is carved. The ball & claw feet have open talons (open space between ball & talon) which was a feature of goddard/townsend work and demonstrate a master carvers touch.
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Wow. So this one is "it is what you see". I'm out. Guess I am saving my millions! :)
I have a old "lift off top tray" one that isn't the best looking thing on the block. But I loved the multi-functionality of it. It has been used as a side table for drinks/condiments at large family gatherings and has been "re-lifed" as a side table to a tall antique bed.
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I'm out. Guess I am saving my millions!
LOL, yeah i hear you! The thing about that Goddard tea table is, it has wonderful provenance, was in the same family since it was built and, letters from Moses Brown to John Goddard fussing at him for putting other customers ahead of him in furniture delivery/building. Apparently Moses placed his order to Goddard for this tea table as a wedding gift to a relative and he wanted this table NOW and did not want to wait his turn, it's cost was 90 pounds, a princely sum back in the day.
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Hey !! Thats within my budget,,at todays prices !! :D
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What great provenance!
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Yeah, is, when you have letters written by the guy who commissioned the piece to the guy building the piece, it really doesn't get any better than that. 90 pounds was a HUGE sum in 1760, especially for a tea table, the average teachers salary for a year was 60 pounds. Money was no object to the Brown brothers, indeed, they were very competitive about everything, including furniture ordered at the goddard/townsend families cabinet shop. This kind of client gave them the resources to produce some of the very best work during this time. As is usual, it takes many various parts coming together at the same time for something spectacular to happen in the arts world, this was one of those times.
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Lets look at a Virginia tea table built during this same time frame, 1750-1760, this one attributed to Robert Walker
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Ohhhhhhhhh...... What a beautiful pieces. The coloring, artistry are awe inspiring.
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Such a beautiful table top!
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The entire table is stunningly beautiful !!
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Yeah, as is obvious, Americans took their tea breaks seriously in 1760 & the well to do took tea tables to a whole other level.
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Well,, at least we get to see a bit of how the upper crust lived !! No cardboard cups for that table !!
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I would note there are A LOT of period american tea tables still around from the 18th century, most families had one although not nearly as elaborate as the the ones above. You see them often at auction selling for a few hundred bucks in today's market, cheaper than sawdust furniture at ikea.
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It's amazing that anyone would buy furniture at Ikea, when solid wood antiques can be had for the same price.
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when solid wood antiques can be had for the same price.
Yeah, it is a bit weird that one can buy middle market antique furniture cheaper than sawdust furniture these days but understandable as well. With antiques, you gotta hunt around to find what you need and most just are not willing to do that, they are more into clicking their mouse on a buy button and having it arrive from Amazon a few days later.
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I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but it seems that if its worth having in your house for years on end, its worth the hunt. Plus, the hunt is half the fun!
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Totally agree MsG !! Thats the enjoyment to me,, putting a room together one piece at a time !!
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Totally agree as well.
Solid wood is also better because that sawdust furniture that has popped up over the years emits fumes (formaldehyde used as an adhesive). I know that the "off-gassing" of compressed wood furniture lessens over time...it still adds junk to the air that HELPS makes people ill even though they don't know what all is contributing to it! (Getting off soap box.)
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Why put up with off-gassing at all? Buy antiques. The real thing!!
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Tell you what, even the Amish in Pa have gotten into the Amazon market place thingy. I needed a coat rack recently for my front door, went online and saw these amish ones on amazon, they were not cheap though and several weeks for delivery, 3 or 4? i think. It arrived and was solid maple, beautifully finished with high quality steel hooks. Well worth the wait & the price which was around $200.
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Jacon4, there is an Amish furniture store near me here in Texas and they have been open over 15 years. They are very expensive...yet they have stayed open!
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Yeah, there is one here in Charlotte as well that's been around as long as i've been here. There is a reason that they have managed to stay in business, they deliver a high quality product and no, it isn't cheap but hey, quality never has been cheap!