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Title: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on April 24, 2016, 02:27:50 PM: https://www.kovels.com/forums/3-pottery-and-porcelain/10165-ming-dynasty-mark-on-cloisonne-help.html#12268

Certainly not Ming quality !! Or any others I have seen !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: KC on April 26, 2016, 10:28:30 AM: Just from the pictures they have posted it appears to be a bad fake!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on April 26, 2016, 02:18:58 PM: Totally agree !! Have you seen that mark before ?? Two of the characters I have never seen before !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: KC on April 26, 2016, 09:24:36 PM: I have looked through old/new/repro etc and haven't found them anywhere I have looked.

Artistic expression?!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on April 27, 2016, 02:31:23 AM: Neither have I !! Artistic Expression ?? They need to go back to art school !! Or at least learn something about the era !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on April 30, 2016, 01:52:26 PM: Bumping this up !! Maybe get a few more opinions !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: Mat on May 05, 2016, 07:26:39 AM: It could be a Japanese piece, earlier Japanese pieces imitated Ming cloisonne and had Ming marks sometimes. I am not familiar enough with these pieces to be sure if your vase is such a piece.
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on May 05, 2016, 08:00:49 AM: Its the mark that so throws me and the crudeness of the work itself !! Many of the fakers think that the early pieces were crudely made and as time went on they became more finely done!! When the opposite is what is true !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: Mat on May 05, 2016, 08:13:15 AM: You are right, but early Japanese cloisonne (1860s) was also quite crude and used ming period patterns and marks, so I think it would be worth looking in that direction, too... There was a good website about identifying Japanese and Chinese cloisonne, but unfortunately it seems to be gone...
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on May 05, 2016, 12:28:20 PM: Do you remember the name ?? Gotheborg ??
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: Mat on May 05, 2016, 01:31:46 PM: No, it was idcloisonne.com , but it doesn't exist any more, and on the Internet Archive I cannot see it any more, too.
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on May 05, 2016, 03:41:00 PM: Oh !! Darn,, that would have been helpful !!
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: Mat on May 06, 2016, 01:09:51 AM: If I was the owner, I would try posting it here: http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php . There is one person on that forum who knows a lot about cloisonne, mainly Chinese. However, it is always possible that a post is overseen by the right person in that forum and a lot of questions remain unanswered....
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: Mat on May 06, 2016, 01:13:08 AM: Just found the mark on that forum: http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=94240 , described also "false Ming mark, reading Dai Min, Japanese, ca. 1860-75"
Title: Re: Ming Dynasty ?? Has anyone ever seen anything like this ?? Obvious fake !!
Post by: mart on May 06, 2016, 04:54:30 AM: Thank you so much Mat !! Will post a link to this thread so they can read all replies !! Lord knows Ming Dynasty is not my area !!