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Title: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jjohn48 on June 12, 2016, 09:03:25 AM

I HAVE A DOUGH TABLE THAT HAS A BURNT IN BRAND ON THE INSIDE OF THE TABLE.   A72
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT THIS IS OR REPRESENTS?
THANKS
JAMES
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: KC on June 12, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
Hello!  Welcome to the forum.

The number on your table is most likely the manufacturer's/workman's furniture/piece identification number.  Without knowing more it could be nearly impossible to let you know who made it. 

Can you please post a picture of the entire table? 
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jjohn48 on June 12, 2016, 11:37:25 AM

The table opened and closed.

Thanks
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: Rauville on June 12, 2016, 08:21:40 PM
I used to call those "Book Leaf Tables", back when container loads of English furniture were being shipped over here. Maybe "Pub Table" is the more common term?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-ENGLISH-PUB-DINING-TABLE-1920-30-England-OAK-DRAW-LEAF-FOLDING-Med-wood-/171764083189?nma=true&si=sm7fn6mgpK4qRroY2qRoLx9J6YI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-ENGLISH-PUB-DINING-TABLE-1920-30-England-OAK-DRAW-LEAF-FOLDING-Med-wood-/171764083189?nma=true&si=sm7fn6mgpK4qRroY2qRoLx9J6YI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: mart on June 13, 2016, 12:57:23 PM
Yep !!  Nice little pub table !!  The A 72 is useful only to the company that made it !!  Can be style/ finish number or as KC said !!  These were rarely marked by Mfr. !!
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jjohn48 on June 13, 2016, 05:23:21 PM

Thanks for the reply. If you notice the back or bottom side is unfinished and there is a big square box underneath the top.
I do appreciate the info very much. Have a great week.
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jjohn48 on June 13, 2016, 05:32:22 PM

Here is the box underneath the top if the table.
This is why I assumed it was a dough table.
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: KC on June 15, 2016, 12:58:03 AM
Typically the table like yours would have a place to store utensils or table coverings.

The dough tables I envision are the ones with the possum belly storage area. (old posting Liveauctioneers)
(https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/1109/29424/11397886_1_l.jpg)
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jjohn48 on June 20, 2016, 05:23:15 PM
Thanks for the info KC. I looked at quite a few dough tables and see what your talking about how there made. The reason I thought it was a dough table because you can pull back the top and access the box in the center, flip the 2 halves over (which are both unfinished) and you can slide it back together with the unfinished side up. It is very detailed in the way it opens and flips over and closes all the slides are wooden. I just have not been able to locate/see a table like this one. Your help with this matter is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: mart on June 20, 2016, 07:26:45 PM
The depth of the box underneath does not look deep enough to allow for rising bread dough !!  If it had ever been used for that you would see an oily surface inside of the box !!  If no oil the dough would have stuck to the surface of the wood !!  If a dough bowl was used they would not need a rising box !!  KC`s example has a pull out dough board right below the top on the right !!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=primitive%20dough%20table

Look at the difference in shape/style !!
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: KC on June 20, 2016, 09:45:05 PM
The style resembles some of the old English or old Tudor expanding tables.  So I agree with Rauville on the English origin.  You might want to search for antique draw leaf table, English "draw leaf" table or English draw leaf pub table,  extending draw leaf pub table.  I think you will find quite a few that will resemble yours.
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: cogar on June 21, 2016, 06:18:05 AM
Justa bit of trivia.

The table that KC posted the picture of is called a “possum belly” baker’s table.

Flour and meal didn’t come in 5 and 10 pound “pokes” (paper bags) back then, but what was called “loose” (how ever much you wanted to purchase) or in 100 pound bags, even if you ground your own ….. and the “loose” flour and meal was dumped into those “possum belly” drawers …. which made it easy & handy for the cook or baker to “dip” out as much as they needed …. without having to scrape it out of any “corners”. 
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: Ipcress on June 21, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
I would have thought more likely for architectural plans or maps.

Any pub dining table or folding leaf dining table in the UK would have thicker leaves or supports and no central compartment ( I haven't seen any ) because the centre is always another leaf which flips up.

It's a nice table. Functional, well made

Carved codes like that can sometimes refer to a maker ( as I've said before, Shapland and Petter furniture usually has a code beginning with R on the item )
This might have been made to order and been the 72nd piece that person did.

I'll have a dig around but unfortunately probably return with a blank
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: mart on June 21, 2016, 08:27:03 PM
Many that are called pub tables have never seen the inside of a pub !!  Its more a common name than an accurate one !!  A number of multi-use tables are called pub tables for lack of a better name !!  And there was a time a few years back when almost anything called a pub table sold well here in the U.S. !!
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: KC on June 21, 2016, 10:45:57 PM
Totally agree Mart that it became a style name for tables over time.
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: Ipcress on June 22, 2016, 02:24:48 AM
It must be how some in the US referred to them then because I've never heard that term used for them over here.

Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: mart on June 22, 2016, 02:14:16 PM
I am sure that is correct,, Ipcress !!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Title: Re: HELP TO IDENTIFY A BURNT IN BRAND MARK ON MY DOUGH TABLE?
Post by: jacon4 on June 23, 2016, 02:41:56 PM
Yeah, it's kinda like the term "tavern table" here in the states. Most all 18th century homes in colonial America had one or more of these small, portable tables however, I doubt that's what they called them back in the day. Ditto "bible box", another generic term for small wooden boxes made in 17th & 18th century america, no way people called them "bible box"  then as books were hideously expensive and very few folks could afford a book.