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Title: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 07, 2016, 10:59:05 AM

so light and airy, small in statue but does anyone know what the bottom says?

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: KC on July 07, 2016, 01:11:12 PM

sugarcube5419, bottom of what?  There aren't any pictures of the bottom of the cup or saucer and I don't see any writing on the side of the cup.

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 07, 2016, 01:55:34 PM

cripe KC you are right.  Here you go.

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: mart on July 07, 2016, 08:43:03 PM

That's a cutie !!  No idea what it says though !!

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: Pelady on July 07, 2016, 10:53:55 PM

Hi Sugarcube,

I collect flying turkey, blue Phoenix, noritake Howo bird.  I have a few pieces similar to yours with with the same mark on the bottom.  I have a few photos but not of the bottom.  I will try and take some after the weekend. The tea pot and creamer in the first pic. and the leaf shaped bowls and dish in the second.

PeLady

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: Pelady on July 08, 2016, 10:15:13 AM

A close up of the Mark

PeLady

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pethfn9ikoy0o0r/Mark.jpeg?dl=0

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 08, 2016, 12:08:34 PM

PetLady how you recognized the mark as one you have astounds me..do you think Japanese?  Did not know the birds names either..very good of you to write and inform me.  Would they both be maybe the same era?

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 08, 2016, 12:10:06 PM

sorry I misread your name--petlady should be mine. 

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: Pelady on July 08, 2016, 06:46:03 PM

Hi Sugarcube

Yes Japanese.  Lots of different manufacturers, and a wide variety of quality. Started in 1890's marked Nippon.
Over 125 marks have been recorded for the group called "Pheonix Bird".  I would call yours Flying Turkey.  I recognized It right away because it is one of the few pattern where the bird is facing to its right.  The Phoenix in most patterns looks left back over its shoulder.

Sending you a link to more info.  https://books.google.com/books?id=1NNnc9LkBWYC&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=what+year+did+Japan+produced+flying+turkey&source=bl&ots=nmgBsVW4Ni&sig=VuRZvLrOirs4BBM8R260AixcRqI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6qNickOXNAhWMHB4KHcH8BIkQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=what%20year%20did%20Japan%20produced%20flying%20turkey&f=false

PeLady.   Used to be a Physical Education teacher thus PeLady

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 08, 2016, 07:20:17 PM

PeLady--wealth of information much appreciated.  Nice to know I have one facing right direction--just interesting all around thanks.

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: Mat on July 09, 2016, 02:06:38 PM

The mark is of Kato Shubei II (1848-1903), a known producer from Seto. Late 19th c. It reads "Hakuundo Shubei Sei", it means "Made for the White Cloud Hall by Shubei".

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: Pelady on July 09, 2016, 02:45:55 PM

Mat,

Thank you for reading that.  You are so great at deciphering anything with Asian characters!  Where are you from and how many languages can you Read?  A karma point for you!

PeLady

Title: Re: demitasse china/japan cup?
Post by: sugarcube5419 on July 09, 2016, 04:36:55 PM

Quote from: Mat on July 09, 2016, 02:06:38 PM

The mark is of Kato Shubei II (1848-1903), a known producer from Seto. Late 19th c. It reads "Hakuundo Shubei Sei", it means "Made for the White Cloud Hall by Shubei".

stunned--this little cup is hardly big enough to hold all of this information!  Big thank you Matt!