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Title: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on August 30, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
Purchased this grey vase among other things last night ::).
I have no idea about the markings on this or if it is even old and am hoping you can help me out.
As always any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on August 30, 2016, 09:56:29 AM
Maybe mid century or so !!  I don`t think its older than that !! Looks like some numbers around the edge of the bottom which is probably shape or mold number !!  Is the bottom completely unglazed ??
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: ghopper1924 on August 30, 2016, 10:16:56 AM
Yes, definitely not old. I'm thinking 21st century.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on August 30, 2016, 02:39:58 PM
Yes, the bottom is unglazed.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on August 30, 2016, 07:19:42 PM
Is this a rather small vase ??
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on August 30, 2016, 08:02:50 PM
Yes, it is small.  Measures 8" tall and 5" at the widest point.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 01, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
Can we get a closer pic of that mark ??  Dampen your finger and rub it across the mark and see if it will show up better !!  Thought it might be Purinton pottery because of the mold line across the bottom !!  But they produced mostly hand painted wares !!  Back during the 40`s and fifties they also made and sold to several other companies  including Napco !! Need to get a better look t the mark if possible !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 02, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Gladly Mart.  Thanks so much for the interest you are showing in my cute little grey vase.  I do think your idea worked and the mark shows up a bit more.  Still, it doesn't look like anything to me.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 02, 2016, 06:04:24 PM
It does but unfortunately not enough to read !!  We are just going to have to guess at this one !! Since the mold line on the bottom is typical of Purinton Pottery,, my guess is that maybe they made the blank for another decorating company !!  Could be  Napco or any one of several they sold to !!  Many of them sold florist wares and I think thats maybe what this was !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: KC on September 02, 2016, 06:51:23 PM
When I first viewed the picture my mind thought of a modern take on Celadon style glazed pottery.  Even tho they do have grey celadon (not that common) the style is definitely not that of what you would normally see from Korea, etc.

I like it alot! 
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 03, 2016, 09:20:26 AM
I love my new vase, it is going into my bathroom when it gets reno'd, but I will admit if it had been worth any money I would have parted with it ( renos aren't cheap)
All info is as greatly appreciated as you liking my vase too  :D :D
Have a great long weekend.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 03, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
I like anything that reminds me of the early part of the 20th century !!  My guess is that this little vase is maybe late 30`s or 40`s !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: ghopper1924 on September 03, 2016, 10:20:12 AM
Maybe mid century or so !!  I don`t think its older than that !! Looks like some numbers around the edge of the bottom which is probably shape or mold number !!  Is the bottom completely unglazed ??

I like anything that reminds me of the early part of the 20th century !!  My guess is that this little vase is maybe late 30`s or 40`s !!/quote]

Well, which is it? I still say 21st century. ;) :D :D
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 03, 2016, 12:28:00 PM
Would the crazing be any kind of tell on this?  The whole thing is crazed, inside and out.  I did do a bit of research on crazing and am still not really clear on whether it is just a poor glazing or firing job or age, :o :o :o
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 03, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
Crazing can be caused by many things !!  Less than quality glaze when made,,improper storage,,heating and cooling of the pottery,,and are just a few !!  Many things are made today and chemically crazed !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 03, 2016, 02:03:57 PM
Sounds like that would make my little vase worth less, not more  :-\ oh well I still like it.
I have a small white onyx cup and saucer, not a mark on them at all, but surprisingly heavy for the size.  With no markings is there any point in sending pictures?  Your opinion please.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 03, 2016, 07:32:46 PM
Yes !!  Send pics and one close up !!

http://www.whatsellsbest.com/treasures.html

Look through all these finds !!  You just never know !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 03, 2016, 10:03:33 PM
My white onyx cup and saucer.  Saucer is 4.25" in diameter.  Cup 2.5" in diameter and 1.5" tall.  I did do some research and it is my belief it is white onyx.  Interestingly enough I found two other identical cups and saucers on ebay.  One says it is a Chinese hand carved cup and saucer in some kind of hard stone, early 1900's or even later. $50.USD   The other was hand carved white jade. $65.USD 
Neither of the cups or saucers had any marking on the bottoms.  As you can tell by measurements these are very small.  I think too small to be demitasse but I could be wrong about that.
Both those guys on ebay had really high approval ratings, 98 and 100% respectively.  I am baffled how one could say Chinese hand carved without markings but who am I to argue.  I will leave that to the experts on this forum.
Thanks
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 04, 2016, 05:32:01 AM
Oh !!  Nice !!  Is that a lip on the cup ??
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 04, 2016, 05:44:22 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/222184395120?item=222184395120&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true

Certainly looks like similar striations in these !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 04, 2016, 09:59:21 AM
Here are better pictures of cups. Yes they do look similar. 
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 04, 2016, 11:30:20 AM
What you may have is an espresso cup !! Larger than demitasse but smaller than coffee cup !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 04, 2016, 11:40:21 AM
And I thought it was too big for demitasse.  So, what do you think of the hand carved in China theory?  It is a cute little cup and saucer but more of a dust collector I am afraid.
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 04, 2016, 01:48:22 PM
I think its very nice !!  So translucent you can see through it !! Are you going to sell it ?? Looks better than the clunky things I saw on ebay !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: KC on September 04, 2016, 07:31:14 PM
I like it too!  Very unique!  That stone would normally be heavy...but with it being thinned so much to be translucent is it regular cup weight or heavy for it's size?
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: mart on September 04, 2016, 07:40:56 PM
I would not have a clue as  to where it was made !!  China is as good a place as any !!  Saw some heavy stuff from Pakistan but this is much finer work !!
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 04, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
It is most definitely heavy for its size.  I would part with it that's for sure, there is no sentimental value for me.   I guess it is hard to come up with a value, and description without knowing anything for sure, that is why I was surprised at the ebay ad for the same thing, hand carved in China, early 1900's or even earlier his ad stated.  Sounds a bit bogus to me.
Oh well.  The tortoise shell collection has all my attention now.  Interesting,amazing yet somewhat disturbing as well but I anxiously check the feed a few times a day  :-\

Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: KC on September 04, 2016, 08:50:06 PM
I have seen these in the past.  Search Antique Carved Onyx Coffee Cups, or Tea Set or Espresso Cups.  Now back in the past the buzz word was alabaster.  So you might try it that was as well.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/236265481/vintage-alabaster-cup-and-saucer-cream (https://www.etsy.com/listing/236265481/vintage-alabaster-cup-and-saucer-cream)

Here is a set (with brass) that sold for a "Best Offer" so we don't know the ending price
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-4-Vintage-Estate-Onyx-Marble-Cup-and-Saucer-Sets-Espresso-Alabaster-Stone-/191917860531?hash=item2caf3226b3%3Ag%3AYwMAAOSwaA5WkpbW&nma=true&si=QbobNsQAAhcjiUVVdBN1ZUxlP3c%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-4-Vintage-Estate-Onyx-Marble-Cup-and-Saucer-Sets-Espresso-Alabaster-Stone-/191917860531?hash=item2caf3226b3%3Ag%3AYwMAAOSwaA5WkpbW&nma=true&si=QbobNsQAAhcjiUVVdBN1ZUxlP3c%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
Title: Re: I went shopping last night now I need some help please
Post by: debc on September 05, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Those cups with the brass are beautiful, I found the selling price $299 USD as far as I can tell.
The cup and saucer I have, while quite translucent are also quite heavy for the size. 
Thanks so much for all the comments and help.
So greatly appreciated.  Have a great day :D