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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: CarlyLyn on September 13, 2016, 07:54:33 PM
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Hi! (First post). I am trying to identify this piece and find some information on value. My husband and I have searched all through it for any markings and can't find anything. This, Google has been less than helpful because I don't really even know where to start. Any help is appreciated.
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Wow, what a beauty! Looks like renaissance revival, walnut, ca. 1870. It's hard to know because I don't know what kind of condition issues it might have, but if you're in the U.S. I'd say it was made in the northeast, probably New York, by one of the "Broadway makers," like Herter Bros. The value could vary widely, from about $4000 on up.
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Looking at your above picture, I keep getting this vibe that I’m seeing the top section of a 2-piece hutch ....... and not a credenza. :o :o :o
Just to give you an idea of what I’m thinking it would have originally looked similar to,
(http://www.antiquefurnituremart.com/store/secure/images/products/129161.JPG)
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Is there a drawer where the drop pulls are ?? If so can you open it and take a pic of the dovetail joints on the side ?? This does not look like an American made piece but rather like those made in the UK !!
Where did you get this piece ??
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Herter Bros? uhhhhhhhhhhhh, nooooooooooooo. I'd say 1870 as well but Herter is a whole other level of cabinet and usually has cherry secondary wood.
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/13425492_rare-spectacular-herter-brothers-credenza
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Yeah, I know. I said LIKE Herters, just in case the use of a prominent name might ring a bell. No, it's nor Herter's, not Pottier & Stymus, not Alexander Roux. But it IS a quality piece of furniture, one to feel good about owning.
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When I first glanced at it it looked like the TOP portion of a 2 piece cabinet.
However, after magnifying it - it looks like a one piece item. With the drawer at the top and marble on the top it is complete as is. I would call it a credenza - however, they were called parlor cabinets, etc.
The style is reminiscent of late 1800's. My first inclination is American Made...but something is nagging at me that it could be European. Similar in style to this one from roughly same time period
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PBMAAOSwGYVXCnjo/s-l64.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supreme-Heavily-Burled-Walnut-Victorian-Marble-Top-Credenza-Cabinet-Ca-1870-/351704661106?hash=item51e33b3c72:g:PBMAAOSwGYVXCnjo (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supreme-Heavily-Burled-Walnut-Victorian-Marble-Top-Credenza-Cabinet-Ca-1870-/351704661106?hash=item51e33b3c72:g:PBMAAOSwGYVXCnjo)
and here
(https://cdn0.rubylane.com/shops/antiquesonhanover/M39.0T.jpg?)
https://www.rubylane.com/item/293185-M39/Victorian-Marble-Top-Console-Credenza-Parlor (https://www.rubylane.com/item/293185-M39/Victorian-Marble-Top-Console-Credenza-Parlor)
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Yes, it's a credenza.
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Pretty sure its an English piece !! Looks like it may be missing the base that had legs/feet !! Has a line of wear, very even across the bottom edge exactly the same size all the way across !! Would indicate that it sat inside something !! My guess is that the feet/legs were attached to a separate base !!
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Thank you all for your responses! I will take a picture of the inside of the drawer tomorrow. This is in a home we just purchased. It belonged to the original owner and has sat there at the fromt door ever since.
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CarlyLyn, do you live in England?
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Was about to ask the same thing !!
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Any antique cabinet that its base sits “flat” on the floor should “trigger” the questions of, ….. is something missing, …. has it been modified?
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I am not in England. I'm in SW Florida. Did I stumble across an English forum? :)
I just had a local dealer offer to buy it from me for $200. I said no thank you, though I do want to sell it.
My reason for not thinking it goes on top of something is that would then make the top center drawer inaccessible, I would think?
I'm going to the house in a bit and will take a picture of the inside. Thank you all again.
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Not all were as tall as the one in Cogar`s pic !! Many had a base that was maybe 8 to 10 inches tall !! It was a simple frame with the legs/ feet attached to it !! The main portion then sat inside the frame,, about an inch or so !! Thats why this piece looks incomplete to me !! Of course its always possible that the base became damaged in some way so was just discarded !! Imagine this credenza with a large bun type foot ect !!
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Mart, I wouldn't have cited the cabinet that I did ...... iffen I had found the one cited by KC on Ruby Lane, .... to wit: https://www.rubylane.com/item/293185-M39/Victorian-Marble-Top-Console-Credenza-Parlor (https://www.rubylane.com/item/293185-M39/Victorian-Marble-Top-Console-Credenza-Parlor)
And "my bad", I failed to notice the drawer or its "pulls" on the posted photo. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I am not in England. I'm in SW Florida. Did I stumble across an English forum? :)
I just had a local dealer offer to buy it from me for $200. I said no thank you, though I do want to sell it.
My reason for not thinking it goes on top of something is that would then make the top center drawer inaccessible, I would think?
I'm going to the house in a bit and will take a picture of the inside. Thank you all again.
You make an excellent point abut the top drawer being inaccessible, not to mention the fact that the marble piece (which cost extra over plain wood shelving) would have been virtually invisible at that height. This piece was never on top of anything; it's simply a credenza.
You didn't stumble on an English forum. This is American made, probably northeastern America. New York is a good bet, as is Philadelphia, maybe Boston or Baltimore. This piece is not in the high end stratosphere; nevertheless, it represents an article of furniture that most people would not have been able to afford.
Again: it's a beautiful piece. $200 is robbery, unless it has defects I can't see. You can probably ask more for it on Craig's list. I'm tempted to buy it myself, but I don't really have a place for it :-[
*Oh, and look under the piece. Do you see holes at each corner? It may have had casters, which were often masked by fascia for high(er) end pieces.
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There always has been (past 100 years or so) and still is, a lot of old furniture and collectibles that have been transported to Florida from all points in the Northeast US by the older "senior citizen" folks when they retired and moved to the “year-round” warmer climate.
Thus one never knows what they might find at a "garage sale" in Florida. ;D ;D ;D
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There always has been (past 100 years or so) and still is, a lot of old furniture and collectibles that have been transported to Florida from all points in the Northeast US by the older "senior citizen" folks when they retired and moved to the “year-round” warmer climate.
Thus one never knows what they might find at a "garage sale" in Florida. ;D ;D ;D
Quite right.
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Its English Eastlake,, about 1870 to 1880,, !! The pulls are Eastlake,, the marble inserts and top are typical Eastlake as well as the incised designs !! English Eastlake was much different than what we think of as Eastlake style !! And it was in the UK earlier than in America so still had many of the heavier Victorian accents !!
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Its English Eastlake,, about 1870 to 1880,,
It could very well be eastlake. It would help to know the secondary wood, if it's oak then most likely english.
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U.S. Renaissance Revival ca. 1870-80.
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Did I stumble across an English forum? :)
LOL !! No although we do have some members in the UK !! But during the 20th century so much English furniture was brought to America by the ship load that many are thought to be American that are not !! Many dealers do not know the difference !!
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U.S. Renaissance Revival ca. 1870-80.
Nope !! I `ll buy you a coke if it is !!
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The decoration seems Eastlake to me, the clean incised lines, i am goin with the old woman on this one.
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I'm leaning towards Eastlake in style myself...just need to find more definition.
BUT before you give ghopper1924 too much grief take a look at the Renaissance Credenza on here - lots of similarities.....
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VqQAAOSwQJhUi1nb/s-l64.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENAISSANCE-MARBLE-TOP-INCISED-CREDENZA-WITH-PORCELAIN-PLAQUE-/252414300185?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=9XKrv52FRwMaGL%252BylWulYv18FKM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENAISSANCE-MARBLE-TOP-INCISED-CREDENZA-WITH-PORCELAIN-PLAQUE-/252414300185?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=9XKrv52FRwMaGL%252BylWulYv18FKM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
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Nope. The incised lines are more neo-Grec than Eastlake.
U.S. Renaissance Revival. 1870-1880.
Don't worry about grief. To paraphrase Anatole France: "If 3 people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
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http://www.buffaloah.com/f/fstyles/east/east.html
Yes,, I saw that one !! It just has an entirely different look to me !! I would not call it Eastlake Style even though that is how it is advertised !! Look at the examples above !! Scroll to the bottom !! These are American Eastlake !! Rarely will you find marble extensively used in American Eastlake except the ocassional marble top !! Charles Eastlake wanted to move away from the Renaissance and overly ornate Victorian style and toward the simple geometric Arts and Crafts style !!