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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: JJT on October 20, 2016, 02:15:17 PM
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Hi guys, nice forum you got here. Old furniture is interesting to me and I gotta China Cabinet recently.
I have no idea the who what where on this. Any suggestions appreciated.
(http://i.imgur.com/X7wamNX.jpg) (http://imgur.com/X7wamNX)
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Sorry about the multiple posts.
The forum gave me an error a bunch of times.
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No problem on the duplicates - deleted them.
Usually the problem is that your picture file is too big. See information above (top of forum page) about posting pictures.
Can you please post a picture of the joints and lock/hardware.
They have made some newer versions of these style cabinets is why I am asking.
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No problem on the duplicates - deleted them.
Usually the problem is that your picture file is too big. See information above (top of forum page) about posting pictures.
Can you please post a picture of the joints and lock/hardware.
They have made some newer versions of these style cabinets is why I am asking.
I thought about that, and deleted the attachment URL And it still errored out on me.
Then I went back and noticed 4 posts.
I'll get more pictures after I get some sent to me. Heres a few more of some writing on the cabinet
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(http://i.imgur.com/gDKTf09.jpg) (http://imgur.com/gDKTf09)
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(http://i.imgur.com/F3Z4k4m.jpg) (http://imgur.com/F3Z4k4m)
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(http://i.imgur.com/9brHNse.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9brHNse)
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(http://i.imgur.com/7NnJCGB.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7NnJCGB)
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Are you in the UK ?? Or US ??
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Looks like walnut anyway, ca. 1920s.
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Are you in the UK ?? Or US ??
USA
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I think its later than that !! Probably mid to late 30`s !! You will not find many things from the 20`s with the design number stamped on the back !! If its in the UK would even be later than that !!
Who refinished it ??
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=depression%20era%20china%20cabinet
You can see several different examples of depression era furniture here !! The mfrs made hundreds of different styles !!
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=depression%20era%20china%20cabinet
You can see several different examples of depression era furniture here !! The mfrs made hundreds of different styles !!
If someone refinished it, I dont know about it. The surface looks pretty untouched to me, but Im not a furniture expert or I wouldnt be askin. Though I dont see any indication its been re-done. How would I know ? Its possible it was simply taken care of.
It was purchased in far Northern New York state.
30s seems right though.
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Yup, just call it a "Depression" era China Cabinet.
If you keep looking around you should be able to find "matching" table, chairs and sideboard/buffet
And I don't believe it has been refinished unless it was done say in the 80's.
Use Google "Image" and search for ..... "Depression era (?? name)"
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Lots of great info. I appreciate it.
I'll probably have another one to post sooner than later
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Back in the 30`s most of the varnish used was what is called a red varnish and had a distinct dark color intended to accent the wood grain !! Problem with it was over time it continued to darken which is why we see so much furniture of this era a much darker hue than this piece is !! This looks like it has a modern clear polyurethane type finish !! And it has a sheen that is typical of a newer refinish !!
Another thing is I see no evidence of use !! Just touching furniture with the hands will age wood over time as will the act of just polishing it !! Its almost inevitable that over time anything made of wood will show signs of use !!
This piece has a very even finish which is unlikely !!
And two of the screws on the lock show some damage so one assumes that the lock was removed at some point then replaced !!
Some darker areas around the appliques where it isn`t easy to get to !!
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Back in the 30`s most of the varnish used was what is called a red varnish and had a distinct dark color intended to accent the wood grain !! Problem with it was over time it continued to darken which is why we see so much furniture of this era a much darker hue than this piece is !! This looks like it has a modern clear polyurethane type finish !! And it has a sheen that is typical of a newer refinish !!
Another thing is I see no evidence of use !! Just touching furniture with the hands will age wood over time as will the act of just polishing it !! Its almost inevitable that over time anything made of wood will show signs of use !!
This piece has a very even finish which is unlikely !!
And two of the screws on the lock show some damage so one assumes that the lock was removed at some point then replaced !!
Some darker areas around the appliques where it isn`t easy to get to !!
The lock looked pretty old, as well. Here's a picture of the lock/key on the front.
(http://i.imgur.com/dgvG55f.jpg) (http://imgur.com/dgvG55f)
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Mart makes some good points, although I don't think it has been refinished, either. In this price range (probably $100-$200 in my area) it wouldn't matter anyway. Sometimes the value can even go up, especially if the original finish was in poor condition.
The love for original finishes kicks in at a much higher price bracket; with Victorian stuff, I'd say at least at the $1K+ level. Jacon's 18th century high end stuff really benefits when the finish is original, sometimes to the tune of thousands of $.
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Mart makes some good points, although I don't think it has been refinished, either. In this price range (probably $100-$200 in my area) it wouldn't matter anyway. Sometimes the value can even go up, especially if the original finish was in poor condition.
The love for original finishes kicks in at a much higher price bracket; with Victorian stuff, I'd say at least at the $1K+ level. Jacon's 18th century high end stuff really benefits when the finish is original, sometimes to the tune of thousands of $.
Yeah I paid 150$ US for it.
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No,, in this case a good refinish actually helps the value and this was well done !! The demand for furniture from this era is not great !! They simply made too much of it !! The pic of the key is blurry but even in it you can see the remains of the darker varnish it would have had !!
Still value about $200. in most areas as Ghopper said !!
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Jacon's 18th century high end stuff really benefits when the finish is original, sometimes to the tune of thousands of $.
Yeah, it does but it's very rare, much rarer actually than claimed, which is a problem in the antique industry. Claiming this, that and the other thing when in fact it's totally different. Sunlight degrades a finish, in fact its a major component, so unless one happens to have a mansion that the family has lived in for the last 300 years and then stashed some furniture in a spare bedroom that gets no sunlight, the chances of having an original finish are almost zero.
That said, it does happen but, it's very rare and it is hideously expensive when it comes on the market.
Yup, just call it a "Depression" era China Cabinet.
UHHHHHHHHHH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, lol. If you are trying to sell it, "depression" just doesn't have a good ring to it, i'd go with vintage or early 20th century.
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Quoting from Reply #13:
If someone refinished it, I dont know about it. The surface looks pretty untouched to me, but Im not a furniture expert or I wouldnt be askin. Though I dont see any indication its been re-done. How would I know ?
JJT, to re-finish a piece of wood furniture one has to remove the old “finish”, which can be either paint, varnish, lacquer or oil. Oil is not often used for a “finish” on furniture, but when it is, linseed or tung oil is primarily used. For an “oil finish” on wood floors you use a special type of oil which I don’t recall the name of.
And to re-finish a wooden item, you first have to remove the old finish. And to do that you have to scrape or sand it off, …. or use a “heat” gun and putty knife/scrapers, ….. or use a liquid or gel “paint and varnish” remover …….. or use lacquer “thinner” if the finish is lacquer. (and sometimes ya gotta use "all of the above")
Now I told you the above “re-finishing” trivia simply because re-finishing leaves “tracks” iffen you know where to look for them.
Inside “edges”, bottom “edges”, backside “edges” and “top” edges …… and both “inside” and “outside” corners ……. are where you look for those “tracks”.
“Tracks” that were left by the “re-finishing” process …… and/or …….. “tracks” of the “original” finish that were NOT removed by the “re-finishing” process.
;D
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Very informative. It'll help me negotiate prices on this stuff :)
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I agree with age range as well. In my area price range would be $150 - $250 (depending on condition).