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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Raven31557 on February 10, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
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This vase is 8" high
No marking whatsoever on bottom
Greenish glaze inside
Perfect cond.
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Looks like an American take on an Oriental style vase !!
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Yep, it's really pretty.
I'm discovering that my family loved pretty things, just didn't want to pay top dollar for it.
LOL!!!
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They would fit right in here !! Neither do I !!
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It is Japanese Cloisonne, around 1900.
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Mat,, I do not see the borders that would identify it as cloisonne !! Looks like a simple paint treatment not enamel !! Of course these pics do not enlarge much !!
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Mart, I think I can see the wire, but of course some close ups and a picture of the bottom would help...
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Bottoms up!! and a close-up.
It's not Cloisonne. It's painted enamel.
I'm tempted to fill the bottom with cement. It tips over so easily.
lol
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Heavy rocks work just as well! Or fill with lots of pocket change! 💰
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I still see cloisonne on copper.
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I still see cloisonne on copper.
I'll be danged!!
I Googled images of cloisonne and then took another up-close look at my vase...
Cloisonne!!
I had always thought the copper wire was more pronounced for cloisonne.
This vase always looked like it's just outlined with gold paint to me.
So do you think it's pricey?
I can't imagine any of my grandparents spending much on anything, unless these were fairly common back in the day.
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The bottom does look like copper !! Some of the wires are very pronounced and some items are outlined with a gold paint to give the look of cloisonne !! Can you feel the lines ??
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Can you feel the lines ??
Not at all.
It's very smooth, which is why I didn't think it was cloisonne.
Now I don't know what to think!!
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My opinion is that its a look-a-like !! You should be able to feel something if its a true cloisonne !!
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That's what I thought.
Then I thought it had a heavy glaze of clear enamel to make it smooth.
Then I thought it was made to just look like cloisonne.
Then I thought why go through all that trouble for a knock-off.
Then I thought.......
lol
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I've always thought that some cloisonné will have a flat smooth surface, after being polished on lapidary wheels. On the other hand, there are versions with a sunken or raised enamel surface surrounded by the wire border. With that said, I would agree with Mat on this one.
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CooL!
Then I'll search for the closest I can to the style of vase and set my price according to that.
TY everybody!!!!
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I've always thought that some cloisonné will have a flat smooth surface, after being polished on lapidary wheels. On the other hand, there are versions with a sunken or raised enamel surface surrounded by the wire border. With that said, I would agree with Mat on this one.
Do you mean Champleve Rauville ?? That is the application of enamel to indentations,, !! I have never heard of a wheel used on Cloisonne !! That kind of defeats the purpose doesn`t it ?? It should be easy to tell if its paint on metal or enamel which has to be fired !! Enamel is rarely ever perfectly flat !! It is a glassy powder that has to be built up in layers !!
Can you post a close up of a section of the vase ?? Close enough to see how the paint or enamel is applied ??
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I hope this is clear enough......
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I can`t tell if it is or it is not !! Its certainly not the well done enameling that you usually see !! But some places look enameled with a thin layer and others just look like paint !! Just use your best judgment Raven !!
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All of the colors have just a tiny bit of gold glitter, making it sort of shimmery.
Does that mean anything, or is that just the enamel?
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Since enamel is a type of powdered glass I guess it could be a little glittery but I have never heard that description !!