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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: valhom on May 03, 2017, 09:36:33 PM
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These are candle holders right? They have open rings?
They both measure approx. 7" tall.
Thank you.
(https://s8.postimg.org/84kyvm9w5/hunt.jpg)
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I’m thinking they were for kerosene lamps rather than candles, ……. like so …..
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB188.iHVXXXXcvXpXXq6xXFXXXW/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden.jpg)
source web link:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden/815590_1434923541.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden/815590_1434923541.html)
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Agree with Cogar. The loops are definitely too wide for candles; oil lamps make more sense.
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OOPS, I also shudda said ......
The picture I posted doesn’t have a “ring” mount like in Valhom’s post …… but has a platform with a high “lip” …… and the oil lamp made for it would have a “matching” protruding lip on its base to fit snugly on the platform thus preventing it from being slid or bumped off into the floor.
The same type of lamps with “matching” protruding lips on their bases need to be found that will fit into Valhom’s “ring” mounted lamp holders.
Railroad cars and cabooses used kerosene lamp mounting brackets like Valhom’s.
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What is the ring diameter ?? May have had a glass insert for candle !!
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I’m thinking they were for kerosene lamps rather than candles, ……. like so …..
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB188.iHVXXXXcvXpXXq6xXFXXXW/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden.jpg)
source web link:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden/815590_1434923541.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Vintage-CAST-WROUGHT-IRON-WALL-SCONCE-Oil-Lamp-Candle-PLANT-Holders-VICTORIAN-wedding-home-pation-garden/815590_1434923541.html)
Thank you :)
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Agree with Cogar. The loops are definitely too wide for candles; oil lamps make more sense.
I think you're right.
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What is the ring diameter ?? May have had a glass insert for candle !!
Diameter is 3 inches
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Would have to be very small oil lamps !!
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Mart, they were full-size lamps …… but the base was molded so that it would fit “snuggly” in the ring of the wall-mount bracket …… like pictured here, to wit:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5a/dd/2f/5add2f723e5b6eb5f4a085b51e8d8cd6.jpg)
Thus the kero lamp could be placed in the wall bracket or it could be set on the table, bureau or shelf without need of the “ring” bracket.
Many, man , many house “fires” were caused by ….. tipped over and broken kerosene lamps ….. thus that “ring” wall mount bracket was a kinda “safety feature”.
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I have never ran across any like those !!
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Many, man , many house “fires” were caused by ….. tipped over and broken kerosene lamps ….. thus that “ring” wall mount bracket was a kinda “safety feature”.
Yeah, matter of fact, whale oil lamps put candle stands out of business, those 3 leg stands for candles just didn't cut it for oil or later kerosene lamps & so 4 leg "light stands" were born. They are referred to as "work stands" today and most are incredibly affordable for beginning furniture collectors and very plentiful as well, millions were built throughout the 19th century to safely support oil lamps. It makes sense that they would have sturdy wall brackets to raise and support these lamps, especially in hallways for example.
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Even the smallest one I have would not fit in those !! Most of mine are the footed pedestal types !!
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I would be using them for flower pots myself.
https://www.hayneedle.com/product/marshall-home-garden-flower-pot-holder.cfm?ltype=child&tid=MARH028-1 (https://www.hayneedle.com/product/marshall-home-garden-flower-pot-holder.cfm?ltype=child&tid=MARH028-1)
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Even the smallest one I have would not fit in those !! Most of mine are the footed pedestal types !!
I'd say Mart is correct, the majority of 19th century oil lamps that survive are meant to be set on a table or 4 leg light stand however, if you google search these lamps, you see all kinds of oil lamps. Oil lamps that hang on chains like a chandelier, lamps that were wall hung, even floor oil lamps with a pole. Still, judging by the vast number of 4 leg light stands that survive, i'd guess most people had table models.
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Churches, schools and other public buildings usually had wall-mounted or hanging kerosene lamps.
Except for the ole pump organs in the churches ……. which had a lamp/candle stand affixed to both sides so that the organist could read the sheet music.
(https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/872/24842/9048113_1_x.jpg?version=0)
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I would put a potted plant in it!!
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Mart, they were full-size lamps …… but the base was molded so that it would fit “snuggly” in the ring of the wall-mount bracket …… like pictured here, to wit:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5a/dd/2f/5add2f723e5b6eb5f4a085b51e8d8cd6.jpg)
Thus the kero lamp could be placed in the wall bracket or it could be set on the table, bureau or shelf without need of the “ring” bracket.
Many, man , many house “fires” were caused by ….. tipped over and broken kerosene lamps ….. thus that “ring” wall mount bracket was a kinda “safety feature”.
Very nice! Thank you for the info and picture.
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Nice thread here! I' with Mart. I would have used it for a potted plant. However, with all the power outages we get here, I might start looking for a couple with lanterns to grace my humble abode.
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I might start looking for a couple with lanterns to grace my humble abode.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, noooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo, lol! Don't get me wrong, these lamps were a life changing event, for the first time in history, mankind had "real" light, which was not a small thing. Still, they are dangerous and i would be wary about having this sort of lamp operational and filled with fuel in the house, it's simply not needed today, much safer options are available for power outages. These lamps are a decoration type dealio these days, please DON"T BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN! BAM!
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Meanwhile, while we wait for KC to burn her house down with 19th century lamps, i read this interesting article about the night and how living in the dark back in the day wasn't all bad. Prior to the lighted age, people had 2 sleeps every night, first sleep till midnight when they got up for a bit before going back to bed for remainder of the night. Turns out that is the natural sleep pattern for humans so if you have sleeping issues, it could be related to our ancient natural sleep pattern being interrupted by the modern world.
"Once there, Ekirch relates in perhaps his most fascinating revelation, pre-industrial man slept a segmented sleep. He has found more than 500 references, from Homer onwards, to a "first sleep" that lasted until maybe midnight, and was followed by "second sleep". In between the two, people routinely got up, peed, smoked, read, chatted, had friends round, or simply reflected on the events of the previous day – and on their dreams. (Plenty also had sex, by all accounts far more satisfactorily than at the end of a hard day's labouring. Couples who copulated "after the first sleep", wrote a 16th-century French doctor, "have more enjoyment, and do it better".)
Experiments by Dr Thomas Wehr at America's National Institute of Mental Health appear to bear out the theory that this two-part slumber is man's natural sleeping pattern: a group of young male volunteers deprived of light at night for weeks at a time rapidly fell into the segmented sleep routine described in so many of Ekirch's documentary sources. It could even be, Wehr has theorised, that many of today's common sleeping disorders are essentially the result of our older, primal habits "breaking through into today's artificial world".
Of all this have we been robbed by the onward march of industrial lighting. (By we, of course, I mean most people in the developed world. It's worth remembering that there are still large parts of the globe where it's still up at sunrise, and to bed pretty soon after sundown.)
In the west, the ongoing elimination of the night through the 19th and 20th centuries may have performed miracles for economic activity, encouraging the development of an entire nocturnal sector of clubs, bars, restaurants, even supermarkets now open 24/7, not to mention all-night TV. But in some ways, argues Ekirch, rather than making night-time more accessible, we are actually risking its gradual extinction.
City-dwellers, and many others, have now all but lost their view of the heavens, a source of awe and wonder since the beginning of time. And since affordable artificial lighting now allows all of us to go to bed so much later, consolidating our sleep into one more or less continuous spell, our dreamlife has been disrupted and our understanding of ourselves impaired. "With darkness diminished," he says, "the opportunities for privacy and reflection are lessened." Which is perhaps not entirely a good thing. So thanks, William Murdoch."
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This definitely reflects my sleep pattern, but I just thought it was a result of getting old(er). ;D
Do you have a link for this article?
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no, but i can go back in history and find it, give me a min
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/31/life-before-artificial-light
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This definitely reflects my sleep pattern, but I just thought it was a result of getting old(er). ;D
Do you have a link for this article?
Old age is right Ghopper !! The researchers need to follow us for a while,,we would prove it !! ;D
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LOL, you guys have gotten old! gone back to the ancient primordial sleeping pattern!
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LOL, you guys have gotten old! gone back to the ancient primordial sleeping pattern!
Actually, I've been following this sleep pattern most of my life.... ;)
Thanks for the link. Great article!
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Yeah, it was interesting to read about the time before "real" light which to me started with whale oil & then later kerosene, i don't count candles which is little more than a match. And until reading that article i had no idea that human sleep patterns were changed by light in the night. I have never had sleeping issues from that change from 2 shorter periods to 1 longer period but know some people that do have problems with sleep and sometimes take sleeping pills, i wonder if sleep clinics are aware of all this.
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The Discovery/History Channel once aired a documentary about the “Dark Ages” wherein they described that cultural practice of “early” and “late” sleep, ….. and it might have been in this one, to wit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvfiQkC49s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvfiQkC49s)
Its been quite a while since I watched it.
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Well, it was a good documentary, but no talk about sleep.
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Yeah, i remember seeing this, was a good docu on the dark ages, a tough time to be alive, no doubt. No mention of human sleep patterns though