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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Debbelle on July 17, 2017, 10:43:01 AM
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Hi! I am trying to find out information about this antique roll top desk. It's been in the family for many years, but, there's no one left for me to ask about it. I can't find an identifying brand name. There are numbers - 55298 - etched on the inside of one of the pedestals. It is Tiger Oak and measures 37" in depth, 60" in width, 31" high (writing level), and 51" high (back). I believe it's a Tambour with double pedestals with carved pulls. It is really intricate. It even has two curved draws. Here are a couple of pictures. Anything you can tell me would be appreciated. Also, the drawers on the pedestals slid out fine until we placed the top back on, and now it is acting like they're locked. Thank you!
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If you could open one of the bottom drawers and take a pic of the dovetail joints at the front,,where the drawer front and the sides meet,,that will help with age !! From the styling I would say mid 30`s to early 40`s !! But we will look at the pics first !! The number is only a style number and unless you know the MFR which is unlikely,,(furniture was not usually marked by mfr) it will not help you !!
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I will do that as soon as I can get one of the drawers open. In the meantime, does it have to be one of the pedestal drawers? What about the middle drawer of the bottom (between the 2 pedestals)? Or any of the smaller ones from the top section?
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I can't get the pedestal drawers opened, yet, but - here is a picture of the dovetails from the middle drawer (on bottom part, between pedestals), and all 3 drawers' dovetails from the top portion. I know that my mother had some restoration done on the desk many years ago. I think she said the cost of restoration was around $2000. I don't know if I'm remembering things correctly, though.
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This is a nice oak desk (AKA Golden Oak Era) from the 1930-1940's. Its nice and is still usable today. I have seen these go at auction for $300-$600. However, I have seen them in shops for in the $1,500's. Very nice.
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Not quite Golden oak era but right timeline !! Late 30`s or 40`s,,machine made,, that is what I needed the dovetail pics for !!
Could be as late as the 50`s but I think slightly earlier !! Not much demand for these old desks though !! You would be lucky to get $300 to $500. for it if in excellent condition !!
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Unfortunately these have not kept values as one would hope. Computers help their popularity diminish....because they cannot fit inside and many have been ruined by folks drilling holes through the back for the cord...only to find that they have drilled a hole through the roll top when they close it! 😦
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Unfortunately these have not kept values as one would hope. Computers help their popularity diminish....because they cannot fit inside and many have been ruined by folks drilling holes through the back for the cord...only to find that they have drilled a hole through the roll top when they close it! 😦
Hmmmm, the voice of experience? :) ;)
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Ha Ha Ha....no....twasn't me! But I have known some who have done it and seen quite a few (luckily a few were "attempted repairs" but showed). Was in an antique mall and heard a couple/other browsers trying to figure out what the old oak roll top had a hole in the closed cover and had to chuckle because I new exactly what had happened. Once explained to them...the ah-hah and chuckles happened.
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Not quite Golden oak era but right timeline !! Late 30`s or 40`s,,machine made,, that is what I needed the dovetail pics for !!
Could be as late as the 50`s but I think slightly earlier !! Not much demand for these old desks though !! You would be lucky to get $300 to $500. for it if in excellent condition !!
I was wondering about those dovetails because some looked by hand and some looked machined. So, I've been wondering if there was a difference because of the restoration. I will check out the pedestal doors as soon as I can get them open.
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If it was disassembled and then re-glued that can affect the shape But we look at other things as well !! Go look at the dovetails on the jelly cupboard !! That gives you an idea of what the older ones should look like !! Also as time went on,, after 1900 and machine made furniture became popular the number of dovetails used increased and they went to plain square design !!
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Unfortunately these have not kept values as one would hope. Computers help their popularity diminish....because they cannot fit inside and many have been ruined by folks drilling holes through the back for the cord...only to find that they have drilled a hole through the roll top when they close it! 😦
Yup, iffen you need to drill a hole for a power cord in an old roll-top desk, ...... you need to drill it "flush" with the back edge of the desk top ...... and make sure the roll-top "curtain" is only half open when doing the drilling.
And iffen you want to disguise it from being a "manmade" drilled hole ...... then get yourself a chisel and sharp knife and fake it out to look like a "mouse hole".
To look similar to this original one, to wit:
Pine pie safe, c., with punched tin eagle panels, complete with mouse hole on the drawer!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/cc/85/53cc85b3b290cd8a500c4330019fedd1.jpg)
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Wish I had that one Cogar,,,mouse hole and all !!
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How do you suggest that I find out more about this desk? Who may have made it, style, etc. I think from what people have said on here that it is from around the 30's or 40's? I don't know how much to ask for it. I would like to sell it because I don't have the room for it. It was my mother's. Any suggestions as to how I can research it would be appreciated. I am not having much luck with just googling antique roll top desk. Thank you.
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Back when I was in the business, I probably handled 3 dozen roll tops over the years. I would have considered your desk as approaching the upper end in regard to style and quality at that time. The high S curve, raised panels, nice interior, etc. all would add to the desirability. If it were mine today, I would ask $700-$800.
Here is one (with an added feature) on a upcoming auction:
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/54333835_massive-oak-s-roll-top-office-desk (https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/54333835_massive-oak-s-roll-top-office-desk)
BTW: You will probably have to take the top off to unlock the drawers. There should be a spring loaded mechanism underneath at the back of the roll that will need to be freed up to make sure that when the roll is open it will allow the drawers to operate. Good luck.
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Thank you! :)
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We hope you got some answers you were after!
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Something weird is going on with the last 2 posts. It's like the copy disappears. Portions appear and disappear and I can't see it to make it out. Like right now, I can't even see what I'm typing.
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I'm not sure what is happening but it doesn't seem to be happening with me/my computer.
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I had a similar problem a while back !! Could start to type and only a letter or two would show !! I think I just re-started the computer and it stopped for that day,,had a couple of instances of that !! Hasn`t happpened in a while !!
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I had a similar problem a while back !! Could start to type and only a letter or two would show !! I think I just re-started the computer and it stopped for that day,,had a couple of instances of that !! Hasn`t happpened in a while !!
The next time something like that happens, …… just “right” click on the dark area of the “toolbar” a the bottom of your screen.
A small “window” will open.
And near the bottom of the “list” click on “Task Manager” and it will then display all the different “processes” that are functioning.
At the top of that “list”, check to see how much RAM memory is being used …… and how much CPU processor time is being used. If either of those numbers are up in the 80% to 90+%, then that is your problem.
And then if you look down at the “list of processes” you can see which one(s) is slowing things up to “snail speed” ……… and you can “terminate” it if you choose by “clicking” on it and then “clicking” End Process.
And then “restart” that process. Most of the time I’ve found that Internet Explores (IE) was the culprit.
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Hi Everyone. It has been a while. I agree with Rauville. When I was in the business the S roll double pedestal was the most desirable next to the earlier cylinder rolls. I would date this 1910 to 1930 and price it around 600.00 because it appears to be in great original condition. I saw one a few months ago that needed heavy restoration and it sold to a dealer for 300. Ask was 350.00. Wood roll tops fell out of favor in offices in the 30's and 40's when metal desks became more readily available. The roll top had resurgence in the 1970s when the prices shot up on old ones and repro's began to be produced.
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Hey Frogpatch !! I thought you had forgotten us !! Glad to see you back !!
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Hi All!
Well, I had to postpone everything regarding desk over the passed year, and now I'm back to finding the best way to sell this for the most fair price. I had the desk top re-positioned twice - as I had someone to help me with it. First time, the top wouldn't open very much. The second time, the top opened, but, the drawers now won't open. It seems very hard to position correctly, and I always have to wait to find someone to help. Is there a trick to positioning it so that both the roll top and drawers will open?
Also, where do you suggest is the best place for me to sell it?
Thank you,
Debbie
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I had the desk top re-positioned twice - as I had someone to help me with it.
First time, the top wouldn't open very much.
The second time, the top opened, but, the drawers now won't open.
Debbelle,
Me thinks your rolltop desk probably has two (2) locking mechanisms, …. one (1) being a “key” for locking/unlocking the “rolltop” to/from the front of the desk surface.
The 2nd one (1) being a sliding “latch” mechanism for locking the drawers from being opened whenever the “rolltop” is closed …… and/or locked.
Your “1st time” problem, … there is a wide “slot” at the back of your desk top that the “rolltop” goes down thru when it is “opened”.
When placing to top on your desk, the back edge of the “rolltop” door and that desktop “slot” has to be aligned in both directions, ….. left to right and front to back, …. so that the “rolltop” passes freely thru the “slot”.
Your “2nd time” problem, … if the drawers won’t open, …. then #1, the “rolltop” door is not fully “opened”, …… or #2, the fully opened “rolltop” door is not disengaging the drawer “latch” mechanism that prevents the drawers from being “opened”.
Debbelle, …. “click” the following url link for a reference diagram of a drawer “latch” mechanism.
http://www.reyweb.com/roll-top-desk-drawer-lock-mechanism/ (http://www.reyweb.com/roll-top-desk-drawer-lock-mechanism/)
Hope the above helps.
Sam C
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Hello,
I believe that we have a site glitch. With the exception of the last two posts, the dates have been modified. For example, the original post is dated July 2017 and the replies thereafter range from July to August 2017.
KC are you able to discuss this with your people ? :)
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Not a site glitch !! This was originally posted in 2017 !! She is just now getting back to it !! It happens occasionally !!
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Yep, it is what Mart said. Just an older post revisited!