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Title: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 02, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
The Bull Dog looks like Majolica to me but I wanted another opinion to verify, date the item, and locate origin.  He measures 10-1/2" X 11" X 20-1/2", and weighs about 25 pounds. There is no hallmark on the bottom.

MarthaHill suggested I try this forum.....many thanks to her!

Photos have been attached.  Should you require more, please let me know.  I appreciate any comments you may have.

Best Regards!

Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 02, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
More Photos attached
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: cogar on October 03, 2017, 05:09:41 AM
Shur looks like it might be Majolica.

Maybe its just the photos or is the glazing kind of a matte or semi-gloss finish ? 
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 03, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
Hey there SophieMarie !!  Glad to see you here !!

Cogar it looks to be a matte finish !!  If you enlarge the back pic you can see it has been combed !!  I think very early English pottery but not majolica !! 
Figured we needed more opinions on this !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 03, 2017, 11:08:56 AM
Thanks Mart!

He has some gloss to him, but not a high luster....thanks for looking.
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: cogar on October 03, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
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Cogar it looks to be a matte finish !!  .....  I think very early English pottery but not majolica !! 

Mart, my question about the "matte finish" was my polite way of saying ...... I didn't think it was Majolica.

The "posing" of the Bulldog and the "green" base is enough to make one think it is Majolica.

For example, like so:

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/25/7f/cb/257fcb881326a43b57815b712a189aa8--pottery-animals-kitty-cats.jpg)

And so:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/19/30/cd1930033dcea88e8470bc69b5bc2b5a.jpg)
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 03, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
True but I have never seen a combed finish on a majolica piece !!  Kind of blows the reason for the tin/lead glazed finish !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 03, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Thanks to you both!

I've taken a few more pictures to give you a better view, hopefully.  I would say that the finish is not matte, but maybe a semi gloss to a gloss.  However, the most gloss is seen on the face, pillow, legs, arms and base.

While this piece is "combed", I would ask you to view this link:

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/192309599866?ul_noapp=true

I realize this is a Frie Onnaing French pitcher, but the design of the pitcher somehow reminds me of the umbrella stand.

When I first saw the umbrella stand, I thought Majolica but now am uncertain!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 03, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Two more photos!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 03, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Hi Cogar and Mart,

I surely hope that you do not find me annoying yet, but I'd like for you to view another link for me.  This is for another Majolica vase (a pug), and this one appears to have some "combing" on parts of the figure.  And the hands and feet appear similar to the umbrella stand. The seller of the item also has a picture from a catalog which mentions Staffordshire England. 

I'm asking you to refer to this link so you may enlarge the photos.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/362119560781?vectorid=229466&item=362119560781&rmvSB=true

Thanks again for you help...it is truly appreciated.
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 03, 2017, 08:47:31 PM
This is my last post for the evening, but perhaps I should have searched for pitchers instead of umbrella stands! More pictures of a pug pitcher c 1800 for your review please.  If they are too large, I will send two at a time.  Goodnight all!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: KC on October 04, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
I have searched for a majolica pug sitting on a cushion (or on a pillow or tufted pillow) and came up many - but none looking like yours.

There are pug lamps... (oil and electric)

This doesn't look like a umbrella stand to me.  A centerpiece?  vase? 
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 04, 2017, 08:32:28 AM
I said on the other forum that it looked like Staffordshire !!    And it could be majolica,, lord knows there are many different types !! It just didn`t give me that feeling !!  As to the others that showed some combing,, goes to show I have not seen everything !!  ;D

KC she said the size was 10 1/2X11X20 1/2,,and about 25 lbs !!  Pics are hard to tell size !!

Where is Ipcress ??  Wonder if he has seen any similar from Staffordshire !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 04, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
KC and Mart,

The latter photos were Majolica pitchers which were selling online....not umbrella stands!  I was just trying to find a similar technique style, etc because I came up without anything on umbrella stands...sorry, if I was unclear.

Best Regards!

PS.  Now I know who Mart is...well sort of ha!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 04, 2017, 02:33:44 PM
LOL !!  Yes, its me from Kovels forum !!  Couldn`t use Mart on Kovels,, so Just used my name !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 05, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
Ok Mart....very funny!  I'm not confused enough about this umbrella stand :)
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 06, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
 ;D  Sometimes  we stay in an utter state of confusion !! 

I think I am going to PM Ipcress and ask him to look at the stand !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 07, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
You are the best...thanks, Mart!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 07, 2017, 06:05:50 PM
Have not heard back yet but its the weekend and do not know how often he checks his email !! 
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 07, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Ok, thanks again!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: KC on October 07, 2017, 09:38:06 PM
Still looking!

Glad you are here Sophie Marie AND glad you are helping contribute with your knowledge/time to help others!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 08, 2017, 08:07:12 AM
Oh yes !!  And keeping us busy with some unique items !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 08, 2017, 10:58:10 AM

Thanks KC and Mart...honored to be here!!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: Ipcress on October 10, 2017, 02:54:49 PM
Have not heard back yet but its the weekend and do not know how often he checks his email !!

Could well be Staffordshire. Not unusual to be unmarked, looks about 1880.
Someone sees the pitcher, decides to make this umbrella / stick stand. Factory isn’t open long or is bought by one of the bigger factories and very few are made. Might be unique.

Pity about the damage.
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: ghopper1924 on October 10, 2017, 05:12:12 PM
Have not heard back yet but its the weekend and do not know how often he checks his email !!

Could well be Staffordshire. Not unusual to be unmarked, looks about 1880.
Someone sees the pitcher, decides to make this umbrella / stick stand. Factory isn’t open long or is bought by one of the bigger factories and very few are made. Might be unique.

Pity about the damage.

Nice!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 10, 2017, 06:14:09 PM
Thanks Ipcress !!  Where have you been ??  You have been missed !!    Well Ipcress,, it kind of like me,, too many road miles to be perfect !!  ;D  But sure is a unique item !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 10, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
Ipcress.

Thank you for the information.

Mart,

Now, I'm going to think about you every time I look at Fido now!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: mart on October 11, 2017, 06:36:43 AM
 ;D   Just call me Fido !!
Title: Re: Majolica Figural Bull Dog Umbrella Stand/Cane Holder - Trying to Research
Post by: SophieMarie on October 11, 2017, 01:45:44 PM
Ipcress,

If this cane/umbrella hold were Staffordshire, what would you estimate it's worth?  It does have the hairline crack located inside as seen in photo.  Many thanks to you.