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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Randell15501 on April 30, 2009, 10:48:21 PM
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Here just one more pic of the 1909 lamps
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That gives me a better understanding thanks, I did look into bulbs of that era, that would be about the time bulbs was taking on the look of what we know of as a bulb, looks like it may of required and skinny bulb, or would a modern bulb fit it? You also mention it not being metal. I am a bit more curious about this too, cermanic? maybe. The item that is a shade what is that made of? it would have to be transulent to let the shine out per say. You have me and the lady on the edge of our seat :o, like a good ole movie ;D
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It may be ceramic i cant really tell a regular light bulb would fit but tightly the shade is wierd it has like a shiny film inside the top has vents in it i think it heres some more pics
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That shade is either fiberglass or maybe mica would be my guess. If really old I would say it was mica, which make me even more curious. Yea DB sometimes all this thinking makes my head hurt :P. Again not my field so take this a grain of mica ;D So the light that did come through would be very weak like a nite light, which would make since they are kinda made to look like a pair of candle sticks. All this makes me want to wake the others up, cause this will be all that is in my head tonight ;D, I have to go for now, can't wait to see the responses tomorrow. Gosh my brain hurts :o
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Inside top picture
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OOPS, I shuda posted here, ... see other post about these lamps.
Right you are (I think), Ironlord, the globes would be mica which is normally translucent or opaque. But it appears Old Man Time has turned those 2 dark. Mica is a mineral and very brittle .... and my guess is they could be cleaned ...... but don't take my word for it.
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What they are. is lithopane lamp's. with out the circular glass lamp shades
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Are they worth anything?
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with the shades. $250.00 to $ 300.00 per lamp. No shades $150.00 Dollars for the pair. strangely enough. we have electric socket collectors who might be interested.
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They make me an offer ill sell the pair the one shade is a little banged up other than that there pretty good shape for as old as they are i keep them in an empty fish aquarium right now .
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also if anyones interested i have paypal account thanks Randell will also send more pictures
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what should I start the pair out on ebay ??
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Starting Price Ebay. Not sure these will fair well on Ebay. First you have a value from DB of $250.00 with shades, I assume that means you are missing a very important part. At first I thought the mica tubes was the shade, but sounds likes they are missing, If I understand DB's Post. He then quotes 150.00 with shades. Now these prices are usually raw value, meaning under the right set of situations you will sell for that. E-bay usually yields about half the value is see and hear on various items. However the condition has to be really good also, your piece have some major wear. In my personal opinion if you post bid style, you have a 50% chance at around $35.00, second round chance $20.00 with maybe 60% chance. This is just my opinion, mostly from I have shelves with stuff that I thought would sell, but still await.
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these lamps are original lamps the mica in the middle is original i know this for a fact theres no way glass was in the center theres no evidence what so ever and for 100 years old id say there in good shape them centers are very brittle its accually amazing them centers made it . Thanks Randell
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Is there anyway to meet up with a dealer for a real look im no far from WV I just think there very unique pieces I never anywhere seen these lamps is there any earlier pieces i tool a magnifying glass over them theres is nothing on them except the 1909 on edge of bottom base where the cord goes in to the back Thanks Randell
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Yes, sometime a appraiser should be seeked out for the hand on touch, which says alot for value. But now am I to understand that the mica is the shade, and nothing is missing ???. Sorry if it is I that is confused here a bit :o. I don't mean in anyway to de-value anything, but I have for example a $200.00 Tea Set, 130 years old and only a couple of dents, I still have it and even dropped my price to $35.00. First E-bay will undervalue any piece you have, and right now the collectors are still buying but they are much more picky right now, Buyers market kind of thing. If you really can feel the value in the piece when you hold it, then E-bay may not be the route you wish to take. Again I can't feel the piece for myself and this will tell one alot, you may very well have a $400.00, but the higher the value the less the demand.
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also the socket and the wiring is why they made it I was told that they kept shortin out so the lady unplugged them and put them above her organ and never touched them afterwards also the pictures are dark but why does mica flake for that stuff is weird and the socket at the end dont think it was designed for todays standards its all metal nothing seperates current thas why i think they shorted for her she tried to plug them in to modern style outlet she was 88 and got them from her deseased husbands father was wiring sockets the same design in the time period ?
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I did find that during the period around 1909 was when many changes in the bulbs was taking place. The gas bulbs was being replaced by incentdent type, what is used today, the bulb was taking the shape of modern ones around this period. If a modern bulb today fits then it is a one the the first of it kind around 1909. This is early electricity and rich city folks was in a new luxery at this time. As for Mica, it is a natural material that can easly be carved into the wonderful cylinders that would make wonderful subtle lite, Mica is easly flaked and over time that would be expected. As for the short out situation should have little to do with being made for early electricity, No transformers are required for bulbs, I would say it must have a cord problem. Consider, maybe making them functionable, Not sure how much that would effect value, but may make them easier to sell.
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Im sure they can be workable if they were mabe rewired them. also there is no switches. were they lamps equipped with switches then? you dont think youd just plug them in and bam light ??
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Actually yea many lamps were just plug in usually a wall switch would activate the plug. I did go surfing around a bit at Lithophane lamps, They were something made to have a kinda night light effect but with some kind of Art. Maybe we are heading down the wrong road here. If the Mica Tube is the shade then not sure it can be called a Lithophane. It would be intresting to see what the light would look like if they were working that may tell us alot, maybe the Mica would have a wonderful effect Micaophane lamp ;D. Again not my area but this has taught me alot so far, thank :D
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the socket at the end dont think it was designed for todays standards its all metal nothing seperates current thas why i think they shorted for her she tried to plug them in to modern style outlet
There are several "standard size" bulbs and sockets and all kind of bulb shapes from long skinny ones to short fat ones.
Randell, me thinks that lamp base will separate so that one can get the lamp socket out. Otherwise there is no way to repair/re-wire it. And besides, the wired socket was put there when it was manufactured.
And it is possible that there is a "switch" inside the base that is turned on/off by twisting a part of the base. And unless the electrical "short" is in the plug, then you will probably find it where the wires attach to the bulb socket.
And ps, (my mind is slow this morning). Many lighting devices were produced with "in-line" switches in the electric cord. So, it is possible those lamps were re-wired at some time and the person didn't have and/or didn't replace said "in-line" switches, thus they are now wired to be always "on". Fixer-uppers do strange things, ya know.
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how do you go about finding and intrested buyers for these lamps im behind on bills and will sale for 100-150 for the pair anyone intrested please give me a hollar thanks Randell ps. I know this isnt a sales forum but im lost and ebay is a joke sometimes