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Title: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: seb1963 on January 01, 2010, 03:12:45 PM
Hi, I was wondering if members here might know anything about this clock. it says Waterbury Clock Co on the back. my mom got it from a little sweet elder lady who's house she cleaned. The lady told her it was over a 100 yrs old and this was back in mid 80's. I would appreciate any info/value.
Steve
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 01, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
A little background.....

http://www.clockguy.com/SiteRelated/SiteReferencePages/WaterburyHistory.html


Similar, but still hunting ;)

http://www.aspireauctions.com/auction58/details/11208.html
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 01, 2010, 03:34:45 PM
Much closer, but this one has numbers unlike yours which has the Roman numerals.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6555176
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: syl on January 01, 2010, 04:05:30 PM
On the back of the case does it say Waterberry Clock Co. or something like that?
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: seb1963 on January 01, 2010, 04:30:52 PM
thank you all. Sapphire, that clock is exactly like except for mine has the roman numerals. not a whole of value to the on in the pic. maybe the roman numeral one was a special one :o
thanks again
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: ironlord1963 on January 01, 2010, 04:31:54 PM
Would this be considered a carriage Clock?
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on January 01, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Yes it is a carriage clock, but I think to positively identify it, we need to see a photo with the handle lifted upright. The link below has all the Waterbury carriage clocks complete with photos, but there are so many (about 12 pages with about 50 clocks per page) that the differences are very minute. I see several like yours but can't quite tell without seeing the shape of the handle.
http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/indexlinks.php?clocktype=carriage (http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/indexlinks.php?clocktype=carriage)
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on January 01, 2010, 04:51:32 PM
I think it is this one from the page above, but unfortunately, it is one of the ones that has no further identifying info, other than being on the carriage clock page!  :-\ Whole lotta good that does us!
http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/clockdetail.php?id=16680 (http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/clockdetail.php?id=16680)
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on January 01, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
This page gives a list of Waterbury model names, but you have to go through them one by one to see photos of what type of clock they are.
http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/manufmodellist.php?manufacturer=Waterbury_Clock_Co&ordertype=DESC (http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/manufmodellist.php?manufacturer=Waterbury_Clock_Co&ordertype=DESC)
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: seb1963 on January 01, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
I found the clock but offered no info or price unless I pay a membership and I can't afford that. here is a pic of the handle on mine.
Thanks,
steve
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 02, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
Again, almost identical except for the lack of Roman numerals.....

http://www.rubylane.com/shops/fromthepastantiques/item/gy-00210


Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: D&b antiques on January 02, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
The signifigance of roman numerals, on a clock face often indicates & older clock. note the fact the six (6) O'clock position is up side down. I would suggest the clocks value is in the $225.00 to $300.00 Dollar range.
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: waywardangler on January 02, 2010, 02:24:34 PM
What does an upside down roman numeral six signify?  I have a new 'made in China' battery operated desk clock with that upside down roman numeral six.  Do antique faces have the six rightside up?
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: D&b antiques on January 02, 2010, 03:33:21 PM
Good for you' and now you know, you have reproduction.
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: talesofthesevenseas on January 02, 2010, 11:04:37 PM
I too have a 1970's Tempus Fugit wall clock that I inherited from my mother-in-law, with the upside-down six. Thanks for the great info D&B, I'll be looking for that on clock faces from here on out!
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 03, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
Interesting snippet I found about upside down Roman numerals

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/antiques/msg1214392115512.html?8

Posted by jemdandy (My Page) on Thu, Jan 1, 09 at 18:59

Open the door of the clock and carefully examine the inside for a label or marking. Paper labels usually were put on the inside surface of the back and positioned to be hidden when the door was closed. If you find no clues here, look on the outside back of the case for clues.
You have a very nice clock case. It is complete with the finial (top decoration). Often, the finial hid the top pulleys for the weight cords. However, I note that there are internal pulleys for the weights in an inverted arrangement, thus there may not be external pulleys at the top. Details such as these are needed to identify and date your piece.

The pendulum appears as a simple pendulum without temperature compensating pieces placing this in a class of ordinary clocks or possibly before clock makers learned how to make temperature compensating pendulums. A temperature compensated pendulum was an extra cost item.

Early clock faces with roman numerals positioned the numerals around the face with all pointing toward the center, thus the numerals at the bottom of the dial were upside down, as on your clock. At some point in history (I don't recall the date) roman numerals were rearranged such that the ones on the bottom of the dial were rightside up. However, this is not a given for dating because a modern maker could have made a dial in the older fashion manner to simulate an antique.

Not all clock makers made their own dials, but specified and purchased these from a maker specialising in dials and decorative itmes. A clock may have been built with mix and match subassemblies, i.e., movements, penudlum, dials, weights, pulleys, and door decorations, each of these manufactured by different makers. The finished product was defined by the case, arrangement of the assemblies, and quality of workmanship.

Most tall clocks made after 1825 used metal movements and gears. Earlier clocks may have had wood gears. All metal movements were consider superior.

Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 03, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
Waterbury "Sage" model !! ??

http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/manufmodelshow.php?manufacturer=Waterbury_Clock_Co&model=Sage&ordertype=DESC



http://www.hortonsantiqueclocks.com/jan08/25739_newest_pgs_65-72.pdf     (download)

Items #557 and #558

Take note of the write up on #558.........

558.                          $125

Waterbury Clock Co. carriage
clock, “Sage”, ca 1906. Same
name as #557, but everything
else is different. This clock also
has an 8 day movement and has
everything inside that Waterbury
had to offer...........
Title: Re: Need help identifing this clock please
Post by: sapphire on January 03, 2010, 07:29:19 PM
A few more hits for you.............


April, 1999                 http://www.roschmittfinearts.com/apr99/sat_cat0499.html

52-g    C.1905, Waterbury "Sage" time, strike + repeat carriage clock in original condition, with hairlines across the dial. The beveled glass is all good, and it runs OK and repeats fine. Ht 5.4" $150-200


From Kovels.com......... .......

Category   Clocks
Pattern or Item   Waterbury
Description   Sage, Carriage, Repeating, Brass Case, Beveled Glass, C.1910, 5 3/4 In.
Year   2005
Price   $200.00



Category   Clocks
Pattern or Item   Waterbury
Description   Carriage, Sage, Brass, Beveled Glass, Porcelain Dial, Alarm, 4 1/4 In.
Year   2004
Price   $215.00


Read more: http://www.kovels.com/priceguide/kovels_clock/2004/waterbury/2034978.html#ixzz0bbQ3yaOG