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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: luxetveritas on March 21, 2010, 07:40:59 PM
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Well gang, I have stumbled across a strange piece of silver (just your specialty, ironlord :) ) and was wondering if anyone could identify it. It's obviously a type of skewer, but for what, I do not know. Either way, it's sterling and most definitely Victorian. What do you all think?
P.S. unfortunately I cannot get an accurate picture of the hallmark as it is quite small. And furthermore, I have no idea who's hallmark it is :)
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And while you're all looking...
Anyway able to identify the hallmarks on this?
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We do love the mysteries here !
My guess is that it makes the 'S' car go ... (escargot)
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Lol, good one regularjoe :) Now that would be an interesting item (although I think, upon further refection, that escargot is eaten with a fork and spoon)!
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It could be a modified piece ... Butter Pick and Candle Snuffer: These items are made using the handles from authentic production pieces and adding the remainder of the piece in sterling silver, stainless steel or silverplate. We have also seen butter picks which were made from nut picks by twisting the end of the piece. From http://www.silvercollectblog.com/how-to-detect-modified-sterling-and-silverplate-flatware.html
or it could be an original butter pick such as this J. W. Cusack butter pick at http://www.antiquearts.com/13609/PictPage/3923253592.html
Replacements, Ltd. will make (or find?) one with your pattern http://www.replacements.com/webquote/RDSFRAN.htm
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Kinda scanned my books with no avail, My first thought was some sort of bone marrow flatware, they usually have the small spoon end but haven't seen one with the twist. I would have to see the hallmarks to pinpoint the pattern, most books and sites have them organized by companies. The style of the pattern looks to me to be really late 1800's to more likely early 1900's. This is when this style was popular, at least the shaply floral look. Earlier the flatware tends to have a flat look, and not so much the floral look. I'm so curious now and the juices (drool) is running, I will have to look a bit more. Is the hallmark English or rather European in style? Sorry got me stumped right now but really curious ;)
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Ironlord, the hallmark is kind of an "s" surrounded by a shield with what looks like a squirrel on top, yes, a squirrel. Never seen one like it before.
Thanks for the solution, waywardangler! It is most definitely an original butter pick, interesting!
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Yea just coming back to say it is a butter pick at least it appears so in the placemcnt guide. Good call wayward, now if we can just find the pattern my brain will have relief :o
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Yup , butter pick .
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Ironlord, I do not know silverware patterns but that flower on the handle looks like a lily to me. Do they name the patterns after the most prominent design on a handle?
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Yes sometime the flower name is used as the pattern name. Maybe I'll try typing that at replacements and see what comes up
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It is a lily pattern, which is why I thought Victorian in the first place. And yes, usually the design on the handle has a lot to do with the name of the pattern. Too bad so much flatware has lily patterns :(
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Beat me to it, Ironlord :)
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Butter picks are very common on fine silver sets. Love them because lots of people don't know what they are! The interesting thing is that not all butter picks are old...even if the pattern has been produced for a very, very, very long time. You can go to Replacements LTD and for popular patterns they will make one for you! The one you are displaying is a one tine butter pick.
Butter Servers 101 Class:
The uninformed believe that the purpose was so that you could pick up a pat of butter. But, au contrare.....picks were made to pick up butter curls - one curl at a time without breaking it or dropping it! (The twists are a few large spirals.) Then the revised butter pick which is better used for picking up butter pats has tighter spirals, like a screw. BUT, the two tine butter pick (that looks like a fork) was designed to pick up a pat of butter from the butter server to place on the bread plate. Then...to go further.....you have a master butter knife, a individual butter knife and a butter spreader.
The wooden handled pot is a sauce pot.
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1903 Frontenac, by International Silver Co. Ahhhh, what a brain relief.
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Found the pattern at one of my favorite site.
http://www.sterlingflatwarefashions.com/index.html
Then I cross referenced it at replacements. They have the value listed at just of $50.00
Nice item you have lux. It appears that pattern was made between 1903 and into the 1970's
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Doggone...you beat me to it Ironlord!!!!!!!
Tried to post and it showed you already!
GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/INSFRONT.htm#2544718 (http://www.replacements.com/webquote/INSFRONT.htm#2544718)
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Butter curls!! Now that's something I have not seen in ages!
Neat find Lux! Time for a good loaf of crusty sourdough topped with butter curls. You're all set!
Interesting info on this one guys.
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You found a different one. the one you posted is under INS, and says 70's to 2009. I found another one under International Silver 1903 to 1970s.
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/INSFRO.htm
One appears to be newer version I guess. that makes things a bit confusing
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Nice work , ironlord1963 . (& everyone else too)
I learned from ya'll again !
8)
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Wow, thanks Ironlord and everyone else for your help! Wonderful job!
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Any clue as to the second item's hallmarks? They're a bit worn :(
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I flipped my laptop over and looked at it- I think the hallmark photo MIGHT be upside down. The two letters together could be D.O. That slash looks like it should be at the bottom of the letter, not at the top I think. Not sure, but it might be a start.
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You might be right, Tales. I couldn't really tell- although it does look like a D.O. now that you say it.
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I did some searching here:
http://www.925-1000.com (http://www.925-1000.com)
But its tough when I can't identify the country of origin for the hallmark. I did some searching in both British and American hallmarks, without finding anything quite like this.
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Yea just got through going through my 4 books on Silver hallmarks and nothing like this. My books are mostly American Silver Co. Next would be to search the endless pages online. Which I will try and do tomorrow after work, It is getting late and the real world is calling soon. Hopefully someone will have better luck.
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ironlord, reversed and sharpened a bit.....does this help any?
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Thank you all for your help! I'm thinking that it is central-northern European, not American. I spent quite a while looking through English hallmarks with no luck. It's unfortunate that the crest is worn so much.
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Sorry Lux, I did look at a few sites but came up empty. The first stamp really looks like a lion passat, marking the purity. The next two may be Date codes possibly. I did notice the dutch used some calligraphy type letters for dating, that would just be a guess. Really wish I could make out the last mark. Again sorry I will just have to back burner this and hope that in my future surfing I will stumble on something for you.
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Thanks so much for your help, Ironlord. I was thinking lion passat as well, but alas, I cleaned the thing and it's unfortunately plated :( I guess I'll figure it out eventually (the Dutch tip has me thinking a bit)!