Antique-shop.com
Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: MythrilDelight on April 14, 2010, 04:50:07 PM
-
Hello, today I was at a thrift store and I purchased what looks like a sugar jar by Noritake. I was wondering if there was any way to find out the date on it, the name of the pattern and potentially what it is worth. Ive searched various websites and Ebay and have not been able to find anything remotely close to this. The little spoon or ladel looks like it does not belong with the set. The seal on the bottom was a little difficult to get a picture of on account of the glare but it says "Noritake" with a wreath around an M under the wreath it says "handpainted" and below that "made in Japan." The spoon also has the seal but its fading a bit and I couldnt get a good picture of it. Here are some pictures :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vtaub/4521998332/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vtaub/4521364679/
I also have what looks like a wine decanter. It is unmarked and is probably not worth anything. Its just really unique and very pretty. It has no marks or seals which is what was odd about it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vtaub/4521364643/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vtaub/4521364665/
-
Pretty cool Noritake, a bit different Then I usually see from Noritake. The best place to look to find your pattern is Replacements.com, however with a name like Noritake you will have pages and pages to search. For the most part most Noritake is not old but is quality and semi collected. Don't count on $$.00, but maybe $.00's. That is a pretty nice Decanter, bet that would fetch a $20.00 bill just from the looks maybe more on the right day and the right person comes along.
-
Hi mythril
Marked: "M" for Morimura in a wreath, crowned by "NORITAKE" and below, "Hand painted" and "Made in Japan". This mark was registred in 1918 and seems to have come in to used in the early 1920's when it was used until around 1940, your ladle shape is correct & does belong with the set, A ladle is what they are called in old ads for Nippon/ Noritake. I believe it is a jam jar set but the under plate is missing, Noritake Mustard jars had a round shape as to why I am leaning more toward jam jar.
-
I'm Still in a bit of a shock over it being Noritake, Not the usual Noritake look, not that I don't think it is not, sure it is. That has that style of pottery that was really popular 40's through the 60's look about it. Can't put my finger on the Style name for this kind of wares, maybe someone could help, been kind of wondering myself. Anyway went through several pages at replacement, lots more to go but not one item of this style.
-
ironlord this could very well be a fake as Nippon & Noritake marks have been done some well some not so well, Impossible to tell from the photo of mark & really would need to handle the piece (weight, detail etc) That is why I gave no value on this piece.would probably not put money on it being authentic. :-[ I have some pieces and as you said not close in appearance.
-
This is the only piece I could get close enough to pull out of storage(way to many boxes ;D) This piece is Marked Nippon and is what they call a Wall plaque it is approx. 12" A simple piece with lots of wear.
-
Not that this is the same pattern, but just wanted to pop it in here to show a similar look which is also attributed to Noritake.
http://chinaminer.canadutch.ca/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=1527&=SID
-
It is a marmalade or jam container.
Doesn't look like any Noritake I have seen.
-
When I was at the thrift store...the jar was marked $1.00...but 2 elderly ladies came over and said thats worth more than a dollar (which they marked it up to $3.00) because its lusterware. They made it very clear it was lusterware and one even said it was more towards the 1940s. I did a yahoo image search for Noritake Lusterware and some pictures came up slightly similar but not 100%.
I went to the Noritake collectors guild website and emailed them and got a response. Both the treasurer and a gent who knows pre WWII Noritake items told me it was in fact authentic. The WWII guy told me it was probably dated 1921-1925 but Im thinking later because of the look of the paint. He too said he's never seen a set quite like that before.
-
They did make lots of lusterware....but it doesn't resemble the lusterware I am familiar with over all these years.
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/aimi/item/RL-0440 (http://www.rubylane.com/shops/aimi/item/RL-0440)
-
Wendy, is there anything I can do to help you...like do you want measurements an approx weight and whatnot? Im sorry I couldnt get a better picture of the seal...its pretty tiny compared to the size of the jar. The seal on the ladel is exact same (even in colour) but it is starting to fade.
I checked the websites on how to identify a fake Noritake stamp and mine matches an authentic. The fake ones are very different.
-
O.k. the confusion here grows. Correct me if I'm wrong but lusterware, is wares that have a iridescent Glaze over it, not seeing it being Lusterware. I would not at all be surprise it is Noritake, just a bit different style. I'm still trying to figure out what they call this style, fruit, Floral relief art ware made of ceramic, with a glossy glaze. See many of these items every time I go hunting. Also have a bit hard time believing this is early 19th century, style kinda clashes, more like that post war to late 1900's, again I may be wrong here, but this thread just got me a bit confused as usual ;)
-
For some reason my link wouldn't post earlier.
So here we go again....orange lusterware items - original Noritake seal.
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/decotini/item/DR86 (http://www.rubylane.com/shops/decotini/item/DR86)
(http://bpics.rubylane.com/graphics/shops/decotini/DR86.4L.jpg?41)
-
Just wanted to say that the more modern items (art deco in style) did not have plates under the jam/jelly jars.
The older and traditional china did.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Unusual-Art-Deco-Noritake-Lustreware-4pc-Jam-Jar-Set_W0QQitemZ130380947545QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5b4f6059#ht_2673wt_736 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Unusual-Art-Deco-Noritake-Lustreware-4pc-Jam-Jar-Set_W0QQitemZ130380947545QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5b4f6059#ht_2673wt_736)
-
The stamps on the jars in the picture is the exact same as the one on the jar I have only mine is in green ink
Heres another picture I found..
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/aimi/item/Vintagex20MIJx20Dresserx20Box78x20Jar
KC - I dont know if it came with a plate as it did not come with one at the thrift store :(( I hope its not missing one
-
Hi Mythril The best possible judge if the makers mark matches an authentic mark would be you as I can not see it well enough in your photo makers marks are very hard to photograph trust me I have struggled with that myself. I like KC said have never seen this style of lusterware from Noritake or Nippon in the past that does not mean it is not so. I personally would not have purchased it because I have not seen this style in any of my Nippon / Noritake antique literature or old ads for them, but I am a VERY cautious buyer. I think the prices from ebay & ruby lane seem fair $25.00 -$30.00 wonderful for a purchase of $3.00 ;D
-
it was a good deal.it appears to be a larkin soap premium.
-
I think I have a better picture of the stamp :D I used our scanner with a dark towel draped over it and this is the result. Its still not the greatest but at least you can sorta read it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vtaub/4523490127/
I actually purchased it because it sorta matched the colour/theme of my kitchen and $3.00 was pocket change :) I still really like it ^_^
-
That stamp looks authentic to me. You did good.
-
Howdy D&b!
Thanks for the heads up. Forgot about the Larkin Soap Premiums. Noritake would have never become what it was without Larkin.
I would love to get a hold of the 1933 catalog that has over 6 pages of Noritake premiums and see what they offered other than the Azalea Pattern, etc. They did have lots of lusterware and art deco items like you said!
-
After all this I'm starting to have a higher apprication for Noritake. I have lots of stuff with the Noritake Hallmark, mostly just kind of Fancy Tea Cups and etc, Somehow considered them Quality, but low on my list of items to pick up. So Many Noritake items out there. I will have to go look more into Noritake stuff. Thank folks for yet another boost in my climb of understanding. Espicially Thanks to MythrilDelight for posting and starting a great thread.
-
OMG hubby came home last night with the new 2010 antique trader price guide for me & it has 6 pages of Noritake lusterware!!! price ranges from $60.00 - $3,550.00 :o Ironlord I agree this Noritake stuff needs more lookin into!!! wish I could post photos but copyright stuff, A piece very close to yours Mythril they have priced at $115.00
Just checked ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-NORITAKE-JAPAN-LUSTERWARE-CLOWNS-SALT-PEPPER-A_W0QQitemZ230461686826QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def
selling for $8.50 they have valued at $165.00 ;D
This one they have priced at $1,250.00 Ebays a little high for buy it now price $1,500.00
http://cig.ebay.com/RARE-ART-DECO-NORITAKE-LUSTERWARE-CLOWN-JAR-BOX-POWDER_W0QQitemZ180493923583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D
-
Haha wendy!! I think you just guaranteed the seller a few more $$ added to their profit! How many of us just had to take
a look and think about bidding?? :D
-
Sapphire I know right The animal & people (clowns, dancers etc) figures seem to go the highest Ironlord keep an eye out & scoop them up I will this summer at the flea!!!
-
Hello,
I just joined so have been looking around at some of the questions in this forum. I too have a similar piece from Noritake. Belonged to my grandmother.
I'm kind of surprised to hear that it may be a "fake". I'm attaching a photo of the piece I have. I thought mine might be a sugar jar. It seems a bit tall for a jam jar. It's about 4" tall and a little over 3" across. The spoon is glassI researched the Noritake marks and have to say mine looks "authentic" although I am no expert.
I'd appreciate feedback on mine. Thanks in advance!
Jean
-
tngal_2010 , could you post an image of your hallmark ?
-
Here's the best I can do. My camera won't let me get close and keep it clear. I did check a web site that had samples of Noritake marks and this one matched one.
-
Thanks for making the effort to try to post a clear image , tngal .
If you do get a clear pic , even from some distance , members here regularly use the 'magnify' feature in their Operating System to enlarge images from their original posted size .
Old guys like me need it to clearly see stuff on posted images too !
-
Just for information sake...this is a pretty good historical explanation
http://gotheborg.com/marks/noritake.shtml (http://gotheborg.com/marks/noritake.shtml)
This is a pretty good site with a download page for fake/forgery marks. The Noritake Collectors Guild
http://www.noritakecollectorsguild.info/researchers/lisalondon.html (http://www.noritakecollectorsguild.info/researchers/lisalondon.html)
-
Thank you for looking. And thanks for the info on fake vs. real Nippon marks. I'm pretty sure mine is real based on the description and then looking at mine under a magnifying glass.
Jean