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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Scot on October 11, 2010, 01:38:00 AM
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I received a clock from my grandmother for my 21st birthday, it is Scottish and is a small mantle clock with a round face. What I am interested in is the figure on the top. It appears to be brass, and is a large rooster standing on top of a pile of books and a python? My grandmother informed me that this figure had some kind of significance, which she could not remember, and i'm very interested if anyone can enlighten me on what this is! Sorry I do not have a picture as the clock is not with me at the moment, and I cannot find anything on the internet that even slightly resembles it.
Please help!! :)
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Now it's drivin' me crazy! I hope someone here can help you. It's a little hard without a pic. If it is with someone else, can they possibly snap a pic and send it to you? This pottery is the only thing I can find but it gives no info and has no books. What's the significance of a rattlesnake and a rooster? On books? Hmmm.....
http://www.southernfiredpottery.com/image/gallery/gallery013.html
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Another at the very bottom of this page.
http://www.visitsoutherncomfort.com/potfacjugchi.html
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I'm thinking it may be astrological? Chinese astrology has a rooster and a snake but your clock isn't chinese. Hmm. Some kind of fight? Battle between the two? I give. Hope someone else enlightens us both!
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If you scroll in on the center of this pic, you'll see a snake and a rooster. Again, chinese. Probably not related but who knows.
http://downloads.wisdompubs.org/website_downloads/WheelofLife.jpg
Also, these say that the snake is intelligent and the rooster has a quick witted mind. On top of books...sounds like some sort of intelligence thing lol :P
http://www.vochinese.com/baseservice/bs_cnsxdetail.aspx?zs=89
http://www.vochinese.com/baseservice/bs_cnsxdetail.aspx?zs=91
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Thanks! I should be able to get someone to take a picture of it with their phone. Its definately not chinese
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A pic would be great. Now I'm curious. :) My chinese stuff doesn't really make any sense. Sometimes we all throw stuff out there to get the gears going in our heads, then ideas spill out. Are you positive it's Scottish? Might help with the sybolism from certain parts of the world. Good luck!
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Hi,
It could be a French clock, a cockerel is quite common on French pieces .. try this link, but you'll have to scroll quite a way down!
http://www.jillings.com/sold.htm
Happy hunting
Mario
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Chanticleer calls out awakening all to read while the stealthful snake slithers up to forever quiet the vociferous combed figure.
Where is the pic? "A picture is worth a thousand words."
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Agree, a pic will help you find your answer!
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Will be able to get a pic tonight hopefully. Its very possible that its French.
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Sorry about the quality of the pics but you get the idea :-\
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/bundychik_xo/1013101933-00.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/bundychik_xo/1013101933-01.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee119/bundychik_xo/1013101932-00.jpg)
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Could you please supply a makers name , mark , pat #s etc...
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Agree...can you let us know what it says on the face of the clock (other than the time and numerals) and any other written information. Thanks!
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It says CHA (then an s with a dot below it) FRODS. 115 NEW BOND STREET LONDON 20892.
This is on the face of the clock. I cannot find any other marks on it anywhere. I was speaking to someone earlier that told me the above name and address would correspond to only the working parts of the clock, and not the rest of it (which is what im interested in).
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pics are not great but i would suspect a marriage,
the rooster & the clock did not start life together it looks very disproportional. The clock is quality sold through a top London retailer so the movement will be signed.
If the Rooster is quality it also should have some markings on it
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The clock seems to be by Charles Frodsham, and I think they may have been at that address quite some time ago. although the photos maybe don't do it justice. I agree about the marriage...The Cockerel looks just too disproportionate and not in keeping with the style.
Happy hunting!
Hi Again,
I think that I was right about it being Charles Frodsham, I found the following Auction result from Bonhams giving that address.. Don't get too excited as Marine Chronometers can fetch hefty prices, but Frodsham is a good name, and your piece may be an early one. A better photo or two might help, might even help determine whether it is a marriage or not.
105 A good late 19th century two day mahogany marine chronometer with unusual balance Charles Frodsham, 115 New Bond Street, London, No 0042 £2,900
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=ResultXDescPrint&iSaleNo=15301
All the best
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Hi,
Charles Frodshams are still operating in London ..
32 Bury Street, St. James's
London, SW1Y 6AY
With a good pic, or even the serial number that you quote I'm sure that they'll be able to fill you in.
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Nice info mariok54
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Thanks KC, let's hope Scot picks it up
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Addresses:
Charles Frodsham
1834 1836 Barossa Place, Islington
1837 1838 12 Finsbury Pavement
1838 1843 7 Finsbury Pavement
Arnold & Frodsham
1844 1857 84 Strand
Charles Frodsham
1858 1884 84 Strand
Charles Frodsham & Co.
1885 1893 84 Strand
Charles Frodsham & Co. Ltd.
1894 1895 84 Strand
1896 84 Strand, and 115 New Bond Street
1897 1902 115 New Bond Street, and 11 Duke Street
1903 1914 115 New Bond Street
1915 27 South Molton Street, W.1
1916 1919 27 South Molton St., & 78 Davies St. Grosvenor Sq.
1920 1941 27 South Molten Street
1942 1946 62 Beauchamp Place
1947 1958 173 Brompton Road
1959 1962 173 Brompton Road, and 31 & 33 Palmer Street
1963 1973 173 Brompton Road
1974 1982 45 South Audley Street
1982 1995 Albion Hill, Exmouth
1995 32 Bury Street, St. Jamess
dates for frodshams addresses including new bond street
e-mail: info@frodsham.com
if you email them they will have archive records of your clock
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Ok thanks!!
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Great antique-shop team work everyone! Love these threads that get people jumping in!!!!!!
Great current info gingertomantiques!
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Am currently waiting to hear back from Frodshams...will let you all know how I go!