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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: greenacres on December 12, 2010, 04:26:52 PM
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This is a shoe making tool it's around 80 yrs. old. I have taken it with me for 32 of those years and it's not light!, lol Do they even use these to make shoes? If it's mass production, probably not. We hang things on it in the guest room.
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I know the old cobbler shop near me here in TX uses some old ones - one mounted on the counter top and a stand-up one for sole repairs!
Nice piece!!!!
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I agree! Yours is nicer than the others I see around! The ones around me go for between $60 and $100. But yours is super cool. ;)
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Nice heavy-duty tool , greenacres !
Does the sole anvil have a square/rectangular shaft (where it fits into the base pedestal) ?
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I have seen a few still in use too, but I think they are becoming much less common than they were. I'd hang onto it! :)
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Is this what your speaking of?
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What is the name on the base? I can see "Phila PA" but that is about it.
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TRU Fit MFG CO
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Here's a shoe stretcher by the same company that dates to 1907:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-mechanical-iron-tru-fit-shoe-87516186 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-mechanical-iron-tru-fit-shoe-87516186)
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I guess the correct name is "cobbler's last".
Do you have the other "sizes" of shoe lasts to go with it.
This is like the one my Dad had, to wit:
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No, I don't have any extra parts, but my sister in law has an extra shoe stretcher. During the Depression shoe makers always made money. Everyone got their boots and shoes repaired. Now we are a throw away society, very few exist. (shoe repair shops )
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My dad wasn't a per say "shoe cobbler" ....... just a "shoe fixer-upper er".
He raised 11 children that he had to keep their shoes in good repair.
When one out grew his/hers they would be "handed down" to the next one. ;D ;D ;D
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I'd never seen a shoe/boot last like yours before, and couldn't even find one via Google. It may not be worth a great deal, but who knows? Is there a shoe museum local to you that you could send a photo to? If it's unusual enough, you never know, they may even be interested in it.
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It's from my husband grandfather. He might enjoy that idea.
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After looking at those pictures again .......... me thinks you have a "marriage" there. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
The shoe last and the stand were never meant to go together.
Reason 1: the last has a square stem and the connector (union) on top of the center extension shaft has a round hole.
Reason 2: the twist knob on the stand is made for “raising & lowering” the center shaft of the stand …… which would “raise & lower” whatever was inserted into the connector (union) on top of the center extension shaft.
Reason 3: shoe cobblers pretty much always sat down when working on a pair of shoes, ….. and as pictured that “last” would have been too high for most cobblers to even use, let alone extending it up any higher than it is pictured.
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Hi Cogar,
I know nothing about these, and the height also made me think, but do you think that it was intended to be used standing so that the cobbler wouldn't have to jump up and down (for whatever reason). Looking at the square stem, is it possible that it's 'fluted' and made like that so as to give better purchase for the tightening screw? Again, I'm no mechanic so have no idea whether this would work any better.
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Mario, a cobbler probably spent 90% of his time fixing shoes and 10% or less talking to customers. There was once a cobbler in every little town and the one in the town I grew up in was named Frank.
And "no" on the tightening of the screw because a cobbler had 3 to 5 different lath sizes (see pic below) for working on shoes and changing sizes would have been a pain in the butt.
Besides, shoe soles and heels were nailed on with nails all around the edge of the sole n' heel and driven right into that steel "last" so as to clinch them over and they wouldn't pull back out ...... and thus a tightening screw would not have withstood the force exerted by said pounding.
Now that's just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
(http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/1107/16/1_ed2f13e5a6cffacdfaaa9b0419d58333.jpg)
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For what it is worth, I am with cogar on this being a married piece. That being said, a pair of these would make one heck of a pair of dryers for hip boots!
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Hi Cogar, Your technical knowledge is certainly better than mine, and your arguments are sound.
Interesting piece though, and still has me wondering. ;)
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My husband's grandfather was a shoemaker in Council Bluffs Iowa. I just visited the still existing shop over the summer. The man who owned it was very nice to let us come in and look around. It was right by a railroad. During the "Depression" he was always busy. He did cowboy boots, railroad boots, shoes. He always made a living. Then he move here to Phila. Everyone knew of his shop in Council Bluffs. Even today they all know where the shop is when you meet people from the area. It's that small town community based living. Everyone knew one another and would wait and talk. He raised 5 children and had a home attached to his shop.
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I would have to agree that it is a married piece after careful observation - after noting cogar's extra careful observations.
I would have to disagree that all cobblers sat tho'. The small town I grew up in, he was always on his feet working.
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My great, great ... grandfather was a cobbler around the mid 1800's. His cobblers bench and all the tools , forms etc are still in the family. When I go down next, I'll take some pictures to share.
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Whilst I agree it does look too high, I remember a shoe repair shop in my London Street when I was a child. The cobbler used to sit on a very high chair and whilst I cannot remember the detail of what it looked like he had something similar that he used to pull between his legs when working on shoes and boots. He never used the counter top other than for sales etc. Of course he had all kind of other machines behind the desk.
The main thing I remember was the huge number of shoes and boots waiting to be done. When ever I was sent to pick up some, they were never ready - but he would say something like "They'll be ready Thursday" if it was a Tuesday. He never ever met the first estimate but always did the second. That was a mighty long time ago though!
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Boy oh boy oh boy, …… am I sure glad I ended my last post with …..
“Now that's just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.”
because me thinks my opinion on Greenacre’s shoe last wasn’t worth a hoot.
I just did another Google “image” search for 'shoe cobblers last' and …… yup, thar she was on Page 6 of the images. I should have found it the 1st time I Googled but being impatient and on Dial-up Internet it takes forever to upload those images ever since Google fancied up their Image Search.
Anyway, while I am busy eating crow for breakfast, ........ to wit:
Shoe Last, c. 1940 Guy "Ton" DePaulo used this shoe last to repair shoes at his shop on Bessemer Avenue in East Pittsburgh. Born in Naples, Italy, DePaulo immigrated to the United States in 1920. After learning the trade from his uncle, DePaulo started his own shoe repair shop while also working at nearby Westinghouse in order to make ends meet. This shoe last - a device used to hold shoes in place while repairs were made - was one of his most-utilized tools. In existence for over seventy years, Ton's Shoe Shop was more than just a business. It was an active social center of the neighborhood where people gathered together to discuss politics, sports,
http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/secondary.aspx?id=80&contentID=32 (http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/secondary.aspx?id=80&contentID=32)
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Well found, Cogar !! I did several Google Image searches and didn't come across this one .... Hope you were kind to yourself and had some honey with that crow pie ;)
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cogar, that marriage did not last long! A pair would still make a great hip boot dryer though. :D
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As promised, Here are the pictures of my Great Great Grandfathers cobblers bench and tools Mid to late 1800's
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Holy Moly!!!! THAT is way super COOL!!! How big is it (a guestimate is fine - LOL)
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That is a nice bench! Any pictures of him at his bench making/fixing shoes?
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Love it !!! so wonderful that you are keeping a piece of your families history alive and safe!!!!!!
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Wow, completely different than I imagined! Definitely a family treasure you have there, don't ever split it up or part it out!
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It is definately staying in the family- Bench is probably 4 ft long, I'm guessing at least 50 individual tools. 4 metal forms and 2 wooden forms. Haven't come across any pictures of him and the bench, but I've got another set pictures of some of his
belongings that will blow you away, including a picture. Stay tuned.
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I've been sick. I didn't see the post. I found an original picture of my husband's grandfather's shop that would explain the setup better. When I feel better I'll put it up. Hopefully that will be tomorrow.
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That is terrific! I've never seen one where you didn't stradle the bench! It looks like it is designed to sit on it turned outward, which I think would explain how he used that iron stand, right?
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Here's a picture I found of the shop back in Council Bluffs before he came to Philadelphia. When he came to Phila. he bought an old shop.
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Yummmmm! I can smell that shop. All the leather, waxes, and polishes. I used to bring my shoes to a shoe repairman when I was 10-14 to have them resoled (when real leather soles were stitched onto real leather shoes). That shop smelled great! Just look at all those buffing machines lined up there. Stand alone shoe repair shops are very hard to find today because most shoes today are not worth fixing after the soles wear out.
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My mother in law grew up in the house attached to that shop. She is so proud of her parents and still today the shop stands I have to find that picture. We all went there in last July. We had a family reunion there and it was nice of the owner to let us come in. We had rented a bus. That will tell you how many of the family came from all over the country.
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Here's the shop today. It's not as nice.