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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: snowflake on September 11, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
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I found these beauties in a box with bits of netting, lace, a ruined old hat and some old hatpins. I assumed they must be some hair accessory.
Pretty sure I have seen something like them in old photos here, worn off to the side. I hope no one minds me putting them up, I was just curious about them. Do they have a specific name?
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You did keep it all didn`t you ??? Tales is who you need on these !!
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All these were in the back porch where there is no heat. It was probably there for ages because the hat was in ruins! I did keep everything else though. Oh, wait...I found locks of real hair out there too! Sorry, but I just had to throw it out. It gave me the shivers.
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Agree... Tales will love this ;D
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She can have them for free if she wants them. I'll never use them.
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Were the hatpins the long ones ?? 6 to 8 inches ?? PM Tales and tell her !! I am sure she could use them !!
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I have them boxed up but will have a look for them over the next few days. I don't recall them being overly long. Maybe 6.
I meant she could have the feathers though! LOL! I still haven't decided what to do with the pins. Sorry not being clear. I will get them out and ost them though.
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Take pictures of the hatpins too!. I would like to see them. I have a small collection.
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Snowflake I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to have these! I do historic reenactments, and have a display of antique millinery (hat-making) supplies. I can use the feathered pieces, as well as the hatpins, lace netting and I may even be able to restore the hat if you are wanting to part with it too. Anything that you would like to part with along these lines, I am VERY happy to give a home. I just sent a reply to your message with my mailing address. Many, many thanks!
Sorry I did not see this sooner, but I was out in costume at an antique auto show all day. (See the attached pic, today was 1890's costuming!)
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LOL! I was pm'ing you when you were posting here. :)
I threw out the hat but kept everything else. Might have another one for you but it is just plain. Nothing special but still vintage.
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Sorry to hear that the one hat went to the dust bin, I can dress up a plain hat with some of the millinery collection I have. I promise to post pictures! ;D
Also to not-quite-answer your question, the pieces you posted are feathers of some type, I have one similar one that came in the millinery collection I have, but it was unmarked, so I do not know what species these pieces come from. They are more coarse than most feathers. They remind me of a gathering of some kind of crest feather (off the top of a head), but I don't know if that is correct or not, I will try to find out more. I have seen these used one "plume" at a time, upright with the wired part downward, I have not seen them double like this before. Very cool!! Thank you SO MUCH for offering them to me! Love this stuff and can't wait to see what you send! (This is like Christmas for a reenactor, LOL!)
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That picture is awesome. I love b&w's. So, so glad you will appreciate these! I knew I could find them a good home. :D
Night,
Snowflake
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I found the hat pins. The two navy ones are 5 1/2 inches long.
The glass and rhinestone one might not even be a hat pin. The bottom is threaded for something to screw on to. Maybe it is just a pin. 3 3/8 inches.
The maple leaf is my Moms and I threw it in just because. I don't think it's old (She moved in with us this year) Just over 7 1/2 inches.
They are plain and I didn't bother to clean them. But here they are in all their glory. :)
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Oh those are WONDERFUL! If you want to part with them I can definitely use these in my costuming. The more authentic pieces I can add, even tiny ones, the better the overall look is.
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Just wait until you see the rhinestone zipper pull I found. I was going to turn it into a piece of jewelry. Do you mind if I just continue this thread with things like that? I don't want to fill up the question board with things like that, but would love to show you some bits and pieces of neat items that were here when we moved in. If that isn't what this forum should be used for, just let me know. I won't be insulted. ;)
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The short one is a lapel or breast pin !! Had a tiny cap that screwed on the end to hold it in place !! Others are hatpins !! Sold a few of the plain ones like yours,,, don`t bring but couple of dollars each !! Now the fancy types are pretty pricey but everyday items,,,not too good !!
Please do continue the thread !! We would love to see what you find !!
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Great would love to see what you find keep the thread going!!! Here are some photos of my hat pins!!!! love them
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Thanks, I'm glad to show them. I've been bursting to show these little things but there is no one I know interested in it. I just love that they have history.
I didn't think that little one was a hat pin after seeing the threading.
My goodness, Wendy! Those hat pins are stunning! Sometimes I wish we could dress like that everyday. I go through the Victorian Trading Co. Magazine/site and would love to wear some of those outfits!
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Love that stand.... What a great way to show off those hatpins!!
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By all means, post photos! I love this kind of thing.
Snowflake, getting to wear the clothes is one of the main reasons I got involved with historic reenacting. I do get to wear things like bustle dresses and hoop skirts, corsets and crinolines and it is so much fun, especially when people want to take their picture with you or little girls look at you as if you are a fairy princess! If you like this kind of think you might think about joining a local reenactment group!
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That would be fun but there is nothing like that close by. We do have an historical society though. A family member used to be a part of it before she passed. They do dress up on various occasions throughout the year. My occupation is not a certain day/time schedule type work, so joining things can sometimes be a problem. Down the road it would be something I would look into though. I think I would enjoy it.
You must have a blast doing that! You really wear the corsets? Ouch...
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Yes, I do wear the corsets, but they are not too bad if they are properly fitted by a person who knows what they are doing, and as long as you're in good health. Admittedly I tried to wear one while I was going through chemotherapy (for breast cancer but I'm fine now) and nearly fainted in my friend's living room. She had to get me out quick! But now that I am well and strong I can wear them all day long with no problems at all.
Here's the dress where the corseting is most obvious:
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/talesofthesevenseas/SummerCivilWarDress.jpg)
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That is a fabulous outfit. I just can't ever imagine wearing a corset being anything but torture. Sure looks great though. Sorry to hear that you had cancer but glad that you have beaten it! :)
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I should add that Victorian ladies were smaller than me, and since they worked on training their waists from the time they were little girls, they could get them really tiny. There is one lady, Kathy Jung who has done this and she is in the Guiness Book of Records with the smallest waist proportionately. She wears corsets full time and even sleeps in them. The only time they are off is to take a shower. Here she is. I don't go to this extreme obviously, but this is a good example of what Victorian ladies did!
(http://cheeju.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/cathe-jung.jpg)
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Well that explains something that has stuck with me since reading the Little House on the Prairie books!! In one story Ma tells the girls how before they got married, Pa could encircle her waist with his hands. I always figured he had HUGE hands!!!! LOL
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That explains it alright! What you're seeing in Kathy Jungs case is all the organs repositioned above or below the waist so that all that is left there is pretty much just her spine. You do shift your guts about even at the level that I do my corsets and you can fill them drop back into place when you take it off at the end of the day, which is a bit weird feeling!
I don't think that all Victorian women took it to Kathy Jung's level either. Undoubtably some did, but I have my great-great-grandmother's dress from 1890 when she was in her forties and had had two children. The waist measures 24" and she was about 5'-6" or 5'-7". I'm 5'-10" and I am comfortable cinched in to 29", but I can take off another inch if I want to really cinch in tight and she was definitely smaller in stature than I am, by the size of the dress.
I have read that the reason people were generally smaller than we are may have been due to a combination of corseting (resulting in lower birth weights) and the fact that we now have prenatal vitamins. People believed that women were frail and needed the support of corsets.
I have also found that you definitely do not over-eat when you are wearing one. You get a "full" sooner. So ladies then probably had smaller appetites and ate less than we do. I should start a corset diet fad. I could make a mint!
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And think anorexia is bad. How long after they had children did that change. Thanks for posting the hatpins.
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I wonder if the men today find that appealing!
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Well the thing is it looks a whole lot better in a Victorian dress than it does in just a corset. Here is Cathy Jung (I misspelled her name in the earlier posts) in a Victorian style dress. There is a whole lot of interesting stuff on her Web site which I had not seen before where she talks about what it is like to corset to the level that she does:
http://www.cathiejung.com (http://www.cathiejung.com)
(http://www.cathiejung.com/004biografie.jpg)
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That is amazing! I just show my daughter and her chin is hanging. History is so interesting. I never would have thought watching Gone with the Wind, the scene where she's yelling make it tighter what it actually meant, but now I do.
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That just can't be healthy.
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We talked about keeping this thread going with little things just to show. I do hope that is okay. I thought this was a neat find. It's a stethoscope that probably belonged to my husbands Grandmother who was a nurse.
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Now geez, where'd you find that thing? Some medical stuff is very collectible. I wanted to show you these snowflake.
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Those are just so pretty, greenacres! Sometimes I wish fashion would go way, way back. Thanks for showing me. I love seeing these things.
As for finding things, I had packed up the belongs of 3 sisters that lived here when we moved in. They had already stored other peoples belongings out back. We had our own things. My Gran passed away and everything was left to Mom and her sister. Now Mom has moved in and we are cramped for space. So for the next while, I'll be going through all these boxes and really clamping down on what to part with and what to keep. I really need the space! It's great fun to go through it all, some I remember, some I don't!
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Beautiful hat pins GA! When was your grandmother a nurse Snowflake? 1950's maybe?
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Tales, it was my husbands Grandmother. She met her husband in the early 40's. She came to his home to nurse him. They married and she stopped working after that. His dad was born in 46. So I think it would be safe to say late 30's to mid 40's.
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I wanted to post an update on this. I got a wonderful box of goodies from Snowflake. I kept the hat pin for my costuming and one of the millinery feather pieces for the display. The second feather piece and the pancake beret I sent on to fashion historian Bonnie Hansen, who has a whole talk she does on hats. I've sent her some of the millinery feathers that I had duplicates of for her presentation. I met her in Old Sacramento when I was doing the living history event there. She came out just to see the millinery feathers and I've been passing some of them her way ever since. There were also two spectacular pairs of gloves, one pair in black lace, the other in mesh. Sadly, my fingers were just too long, but I passed them on to one of the reenactor ladies in my gunfighter group who missed out on the leather gloves because her hands were just a little too big. I think these are going to fit her just right!
So Snowflake, thank-you very much! All these pieces are now with people who are very happy to have them!
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That stethoscope is so neat!! I would wear THAT as fashion! 8)
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Good to know they are in good hands, Tales! :D
Ha, GG! Have a blood pressure thingy too.
ETA that I can't spell. Goog changed to good. tired tonight...
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Oh cooooool! I love the old blood pressure thingys, too! This forum/hobby can be dangerous like that...making me want to buy stethoscopes for any reason I can find ;D Trying to research those piano baby dolls I got had me bookmarking a zillion of them that I want just because they're so cute! As cute as I bet your blood pressure cuff is!