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Title: Baccarat ???
Post by: greenacres on October 18, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
I've been researching this crystal vase for a long time. In your opinions is this similar? I'm ready let me have it! ;D ;D


http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Large+Crystal+Vases&view=detail&id=466CD388D9D8EE98DF2E0C69436A08CB5DD1B45A&first=381

Title: Re: Baccarat ???
Post by: greenacres on October 18, 2012, 07:46:02 PM
Shoot! I'll have to take a new photo. This old one only opens as a download. Sorry, too tired tonight.
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Post by: greenacres on October 18, 2012, 08:02:09 PM
Here's the photo.
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Post by: greenacres on October 18, 2012, 08:13:43 PM
Not a great photo, but I'll get one better. We are all tired, lol ;D
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Post by: bigwull on October 18, 2012, 11:51:32 PM
You are not how i imagined you would be G,acre....... ;D ;D
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Post by: bigwull on October 19, 2012, 04:25:46 AM
Shoot! I'll have to take a new photo. This old one only opens as a download. Sorry, too tired tonight.
opened alright for me...no need to download??...
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Post by: ghopper1924 on October 19, 2012, 05:30:08 AM
You are not how i imagined you would be G,acre....... ;D ;D

Yeah, sad about that appearance....a real dog! ;D

And yes, it looks like Baccarat.
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Post by: wendy177 on October 19, 2012, 05:56:13 AM
Baccarat used only paper labels from 1860 until 1936 at that time Baccarat began marking all of its works via acid or sandblasting. Prior years to 1860 I do not believe their pieces were marked at all.  I do not recognize this vase as a piece I have seen (shape) from Baccarat but by 1970 perfume bottle production was over 4000 bottles per day, So They have produced enormous amounts of glass and this very well could be Baccarat, The quality of the glass would have to be perfect and would need a hands on in my opinion to be sure unless you found your piece in company documents.  Very pretty piece!!

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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
Thanks Wendy! Wullie I see how you could get us confused, lol, but that's Betty. Wilma lives with my other daughter. ;D This vase was a gift. We had a friend who was down and out. He used to be very wealthy. When he lost his money, he lost his wife too. He had no money for food or gas, so my husband told him to come over. We gave him some money and said to bey himself a meal and some extra for help. In return he gave me this vase from his wedding. He has now recovered and lives in Florida. He was going through a bad time. What do you think the value is? The prices I see are amazing. I told my husband that I think he shouldn't have give us the vase, lol!
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Post by: bigwull on October 19, 2012, 01:09:36 PM
Betty?..Wilma....but where is Fred..and Barney... ;D....as for this vase....i think it was probably a wedding present from his ex-wife,s side of the family....and that,s why you got it...as for it being valuable...i don,t think he would have cared...he was just grateful that he had someone like you and your hubby...to help him out in his time of need....because ...and i talk from experience...when you,ve been up...you have friends....but when your down...only true friends remain...the rest run for cover.....well done you and your hubby....G,acre,
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 02:14:31 PM
Can't afford Fred and Barney with Betty around. We rescued Betty and she has had a lot of health issues. The $10,000.00 dog, lol That's a long story. ;D ;D Most poeple don't know what a true friend is today, that's the problem. I've had my own experience with a bad friend and boy does it hurt! Dogs are always your friends no matter what!
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Post by: bigwull on October 19, 2012, 02:28:25 PM
Can't afford Fred and Barney with Betty around. We rescued Betty and she has had a lot of health issues. The $10,000.00 dog, lol That's a long story. ;D ;D Most poeple don't know what a true friend is today, that's the problem. I've had my own experience with a bad friend and boy does it hurt! Dogs are always your friends no matter what!
Oh!..I don,t know about that....i stood on ours tail one day...and she would,nt come near me for near a week.... ;D
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
True, my one dog has an ear infection and soon as he sees me coming with the medicine he takes off, and afterwards he's mad at me. Big crybaby pitbull! ;D
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Post by: bigwull on October 19, 2012, 05:17:03 PM
True, my one dog has an ear infection and soon as he sees me coming with the medicine he takes off, and afterwards he's mad at me. Big crybaby pitbull! ;D
Ooh!...their banned over here...to be found with one or even a cross means  serious trouble....prison time is a real possibility....
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 06:11:04 PM
True, my one dog has an ear infection and soon as he sees me coming with the medicine he takes off, and afterwards he's mad at me. Big crybaby pitbull! ;D
Ooh!...their banned over here...to be found with one or even a cross means  serious trouble....prison time is a real possibility....

DO NOT get me going on that subject!!!!! >:(
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Post by: bigwull on October 19, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
Oops!....have i hit a raw nerve.......
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 06:30:21 PM
Sapphire are you going to leaveme hanging! My poor Mr. Butch! People hate him without knowing hime. Discrimination! He was abused by bad people and was saved by a wonderful women in the Kentucky court system. Pilots who donate their planes and free time flew him to me. I'm a foster flunky. ;D Nothing is more loving and sweet!
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 06:32:06 PM
Oops!....have i hit a raw nerve.......


BSL  a.k.a. Breed Specific Legislation  =   Bull Shit Laws

Four years ago I fought alongside thousands of others in our province to stop this law from being passed through our legislature (hidden in the mess called a housekeeping bill). We had two weeks notice and we bloody well won!  I have watched and cried over the stories worldwide, of dogs murdered based solely on their breed/looks. My girl was allowed to live out her entire life........and not be murdered by blind, ignorant politicians and courts.

Rant over (told you not to get me going)
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 06:35:52 PM
Im totally with you! They used to be the America's number one dog! Oh how we forget!
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
Sasha......adopted at 6, twice through a so called rescue (almost 4 years). The year in between she spent muzzled and chained outside 24 hrs a day ...... attacked by dogs while muzzled, she came to me terrified of a halti, any form of tie out or leash, any  quick movement overhead or near her body and severely dog aggressive.

We said goodbye to her a year ago this Nov. 1 at the age of 12

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t98/geeziesmom/HardatWork.jpg)


Moses (now 5 yrs old) arrived in our life completely unplanned one week to the day after we lost Sasha. From what we can gather from his demeanor and the little we know of his life for the 9 months prior to coming to us..........he is permanently traumatized  from being kept in a basement most of his life, he will not eat if his food is put in the kitchen, he will not approach within four feet a kitchen counter or appliance, any loud sharp noise will make him 'vaporize'.......he didn't know what another dog was, a toy, how to play, had never seen clouds, birds or any other 'normal' thing we take for granted. We drove 8 hours round trip to pick him up from a temporary foster who convinced the owner (his second) to hand him over to her rather than to the vet he had made an appointment with to have him 'put to sleep' (murdered) the day before we arrived.

 (http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t98/geeziesmom/Moses/P1150014-1.jpg)


"First they came for the Doberman Pinschers
and I didn't speak out because my dog was not a Doberman.

Then they came for the Rottweilers
and I didn't speak out because my dog was not a Rottweiler.

Then they came for the Pit Bulls
and I didn't speak out because my dog wasn't a Pit Bull.

Then they came for my dogs..."


Our dogs have all been rescues and  rehomes........and all breeds deemed 'dangerous' somewhere. B.......S......L
Title: Re: Baccarat ???
Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 06:54:43 PM
Sapphire are you going to leaveme hanging! My poor Mr. Butch! People hate him without knowing hime. Discrimination! He was abused by bad people and was saved by a wonderful women in the Kentucky court system. Pilots who donate their planes and free time flew him to me. I'm a foster flunky. ;D Nothing is more loving and sweet!

Foster flunkies are the BEST!!  ;)

greenacres, you'd love Nova Scotia. When BSL swept Ontario literally thousands (that lived) were transported to the Maritimes with us getting the bulk of them.  You don't want to be a politician (at any level) and try to pass that crap here..........there's a massive, polarized lynch mob made up of bully families.
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 07:03:38 PM
Now that wullie and I have totally butchered your thread I will leave it with one more 'dog related' tidbit. Something that each and every province and state should have............wha t we have here thanks to three women who cared enough and decided to do something about ......lost dogs.

Through Facebook they started a site and also a website where lost and found dogs could be reported. Through FB, the page with over 7,500 members now..........missin g and found dogs are reposted and shared from home to home. Originally they had hoped to reunite at least one dog per week with it's family.........in their first year, almost 500 found their way home!  And all it took was everyday people who cared.  ;)

http://www.facebook.com/NSLDN?fref=ts
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 07:07:30 PM
It's tragic! These dogs gave their lives for services men! When you look at antique photos and postcards most of the dogs are pits. Now that low lives decided to fight them and mistreat them it's the dogs fault! Let them ever try to take my dog! I will go to jail for him. He also has some fear issues, but I don't care. If you don't like my dog don't come over! ;D ;D Sapphire, Sasha was beautiful, and Moses is so hansome. He so lucky to have you. I could rant on about so much, but it's a love hate issue.
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 07:09:31 PM
That is so great! I'll check it out! Forget the thread when it comes to dogs. I love them more! ;D
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 07:10:35 PM
I guess we love our dogs the same way we love our antiques.......they have histories all their own, they have their bumps, dings and flaws......but each in their own way are unique and beautiful.
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 07:15:31 PM
So true! I couldn't have said it better! ;D
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Post by: mart on October 19, 2012, 07:28:12 PM
We had to have our pit put to sleep a couple of weeks ago !!  She was a rescue of sorts as she found us on a Christmas eve about 5 years ago !! She also had been mistreated,,,tied with a wire around her neck,, shot and beaten !! Then dumped here half starved !!  We took her to the vet and had her treated and spayed and she was the best dog even with her quirks !! We have had pits for years and there is no better family dog if treated right !!  Eve didn`t have a mean bone in her body !! She had mammary tumors that almost covered her stomach and had eight surgeries to remove or reduce the ones as they grew large and perforated and additional surgery on both ears because she popped a blood vessel !!  We called her our million dollar dog !!  Eventually the tumors metastisized and went to the brain and lungs so we had little option other than what we did !!  One thing you cannot do with a pit is keep them chained !!  They are family dogs and need to be treated like it !!
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Post by: fancypants on October 19, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
Since SOMEBODY got this started ... let's not forget about the cat lovers ...

there's even cats who love dogs !
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 08:02:02 PM
Lol, we love them too! ;D My husband rehabs in the inner city. He sees people just throw cats out and say they don't want them. There was a cat hanging around this house, so my husband saw the owner and made a comment. She said she didn't want the cat anymore has he hung at the door and window. My husband call over one guys who works for him and told to get in his truck and handed him the cat. My husband calls me and tells me he getting the cat neutered and cleaned up like a Cadillac and then getting him a home! At my sons house,lol ;D
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 08:09:43 PM
Since SOMEBODY got this started ... let's not forget about the cat lovers ...

there's even cats who love dogs !

fancy, that looks more like a cat with an identity problem to me!  :o


 :D
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 08:14:48 PM
What do you get when you cross a cat with a dog? ;D ;D
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 08:20:06 PM
OMG mart.......I don't know what I would do if I had even a small portion of that to deal with. I know we'd never be able to handle anything near that for vet bills, yet not doing it would kill me inside. That is one thing I have to be thankful for with our dogs......while they may have needed a lot of help and healing, it was emotional and psychological, not physical.

When I hear the garbage that is spewn about how dangerous these dogs are I don't see red, I go blind from rage. You only need to look at the other end of the leash.......or chain, or 2 X 4........to see the real problem. It doesn't seem to matter how much proof, how many voices, how many hearts express the truth......there will sadly always be those who shout above all others and fan the flames of misplaced fear.
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
What do you get when you cross a cat with a dog? ;D ;D

Oh god..........do I want to know the answer? ::)


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Post by: fancypants on October 19, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
Dat or Cog ?
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 08:29:27 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: sapphire on October 19, 2012, 08:32:05 PM
ohhhhhhhhh! One of those!!!!!!





 :D
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 08:41:27 PM
mart, so sorry about your dog. Loosing a family member is tough. The rescue I got Butch from me read a book called "Fatal Dog Attacks" When the book was in print it was $20.00. I bought one with a whole in it for $80.00 on Amazon.com. In perfect condition itwas $325.00. It's a must read. The biggest biters are golden retrievers and shepards. Usually there are reasons why dogs bite. They just never tell that part of the story. This book is true facts and statistics and reality of dog biting. It's a must read! Every dog bites if put in the wrong situation!
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Post by: greenacres on October 19, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
Oh now that will be the new designer animal of the year! From puggle to dat dog!
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Post by: bigwull on October 20, 2012, 03:06:32 AM
Oh now that will be the new designer animal of the year! From puggle to dat dog!
Now...you are not going to believe what "breeds"....sell over here...for very high prices, for what is essentially a cross bread...or a mutt as i call them....Cocker spaniel/French poodle = cockapoo,....Jack Russell Terrier/French minature poodle = Jackadoodle,...Labrador/French poodle = Labradoodle,....Springer Spaniel/Cocker Spaniel = Sprocker......now there was a time over here, if you owned a pure bred dog...and it got caught by another pure bred,but of a different breed, ..then the resulting pups, meant that ...you would be stuck with them..as non pure breds....but could sell them as mongrels...or 57,sers,as i like to call them....after Heinz baked beans,..57 varieties....back to these designer mutts....there was one recently...in the paper a Cockapoo....male pup, 8 weeks old...for £675...or around a $1000...for a Mutt....the worlds gone ...Nuts......
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Post by: mart on October 20, 2012, 08:24:16 AM
Dog fear goes through cycles !!  When I was a kid it was Chows,, then Shepards, Dobies followed that then Pits and Rottweilers !!  Problem with all the large breeds is so many think its cool to have a mean dog and they are trained that way !! Its not the dog thats the problem,, its stupid, dumbass people !! Yes, my soapbox it pretty big when I get started !!
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Post by: bigwull on October 20, 2012, 09:06:12 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with you Mart...over here...we have the same problem...the most hated dog at the moment is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier...or Staffie as it is more commonly called...its basically a smaller Pitbull,...and its the choice of dog...for what we call the Cardboard gangsters....young Neds..who think its cool to have a Staffie...wearing a heavily studded harness..and they strut about...with there dogs...which in some cases have been used as a weapon...there was a case recently where one rather nasty individual, had gotten hold of a Pitbull, and he,d bred it with a Staffie....the end result being...a fighting machine....that he was using...for  illegal dog fighting....and Badger baiting....Our laws are pretty archaic,when it comes to owning a dog....and its only in the past few years that the authorities have woken up,and started to clamp down on what breeds, are allowed,but they have not went far enough,
I am of the opinion that we should adopt, the German way...when it comes to owning a dog that is deemed to be of a dangerous nature,.see link


http://www.oconus.com/Main/eArticle.asp?294
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Post by: sapphire on October 20, 2012, 09:20:45 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with you Mart...over here...we have the same problem...the most hated dog at the moment is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier...or Staffie as it is more commonly called...its basically a smaller Pitbull,...and its the choice of dog...for what we call the Cardboard gangsters....young Neds..who think its cool to have a Staffie...wearing a heavily studded harness..and they strut about...with there dogs...which in some cases have been used as a weapon...there was a case recently where one rather nasty individual, had gotten hold of a Pitbull, and he,d bred it with a Staffie....the end result being...a fighting machine....that he was using...for  illegal dog fighting....and Badger baiting....Our laws are pretty archaic,when it comes to owning a dog....and its only in the past few years that the authorities have woken up,and started to clamp down on what breeds, are allowed,but they have not went far enough,
I am of the opinion that we should adopt, the German way...when it comes to owning a dog that is deemed to be of a dangerous nature,.see link


http://www.oconus.com/Main/eArticle.asp?294

Ahh, but the kicker there is that those dogs deemed to be 'dangerous' in nature are in truth and fact NOT.  There has been extensive research done into the 'breed factor'..........and those breeds ALL score well above average for GOOD temperament.  This is where so much goes wrong. If a dog has proven ITSELF to be dangerous, then it should be treated as such.........breed should NEVER enter into the factor. But......and this is a big but, potential owners of dogs of the same breeds should be screened,  trained and licensed in order to properly raise and train one.........it all goes back to the other end of the leash.
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Post by: mart on October 20, 2012, 10:16:44 AM
Right Sapphire !!
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Post by: greenacres on October 20, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
Amen!
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Post by: greenacres on October 20, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
When some people say "Oh he's an animal" I say "no" animals would never such horrible things that people do!
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Post by: bigwull on October 20, 2012, 12:23:24 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with you Mart...over here...we have the same problem...the most hated dog at the moment is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier...or Staffie as it is more commonly called...its basically a smaller Pitbull,...and its the choice of dog...for what we call the Cardboard gangsters....young Neds..who think its cool to have a Staffie...wearing a heavily studded harness..and they strut about...with there dogs...which in some cases have been used as a weapon...there was a case recently where one rather nasty individual, had gotten hold of a Pitbull, and he,d bred it with a Staffie....the end result being...a fighting machine....that he was using...for  illegal dog fighting....and Badger baiting....Our laws are pretty archaic,when it comes to owning a dog....and its only in the past few years that the authorities have woken up,and started to clamp down on what breeds, are allowed,but they have not went far enough,
I am of the opinion that we should adopt, the German way...when it comes to owning a dog that is deemed to be of a dangerous nature,.see link


http://www.oconus.com/Main/eArticle.asp?294

Ahh, but the kicker there is that those dogs deemed to be 'dangerous' in nature are in truth and fact NOT.  There has been extensive research done into the 'breed factor'..........and those breeds ALL score well above average for GOOD temperament.  This is where so much goes wrong. If a dog has proven ITSELF to be dangerous, then it should be treated as such.........breed should NEVER enter into the factor. But......and this is a big but, potential owners of dogs of the same breeds should be screened,  trained and licensed in order to properly raise and train one.........it all goes back to the other end of the leash.
Did you read all what is said in the link!
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Post by: bigwull on October 20, 2012, 12:58:33 PM
I am of the opinion, that any dog,regardless of breed, can turn,vicious at the drop of a hat,...its the nature of the animal,it can be the most mild good tempered beast that you ever did own....but they can and often do turn vicious for no apparent reason....take our dog for instance,..a more good tempered dog you could ever think of owning, we have had here for 6 years,and she is a very couthy animal,...but a few months ago, we saw a side of her, that shocked Avril and I,....went we got her she was 11 months old,..we brought her home into a household that had 2 cats,...from the outset she got on reasonably well with the cats, what i mean by that is, she gave them a wide berth,..and  there were never any major confrontations....t hat is ..until a few weeks ago,..when for no apparent reason,she attacked our eldest cat...Poppy,..who is a very old lady...17years old,..she, Bess, grabbed Poppy in an instant and tossed her into the air,..before a very startled Avril and I,...fortuntately,we were there and were able to rescue Poppy, and  no lasting damage has been done...but we were, and still are at a loss, as to why the dog attacked Poppy....suffice to say, we do not leave them together when we are not in....
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Post by: greenacres on October 20, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
Wullie, the article makes feel like I'm a bad person for having my dogs. I've had some issues with my female and male, but they were my fault! The rescue person gave me some do's and don'ts and I didn't heed her warning. I was at my summer house and there a bone on the floor. That is a big no no, but I had never had a problem. My female is alpha. The females usually are. She was barking at the door, and my male dog went to go and get the bone. My female ran at him and told him not to touch it and walked away. He thought it was okay to take it after she left. Guess again! She charged at him full force. She almost lost her ear. I learned a severe lesson. That was my fault. You really have to be educated in the dynamics of a pack! Until you have more than one dog do understand their natures. They love each other, but Betty is a true "bitch". Betty is dog friendly loves kids, but if you live in her house you do as she says! ;D Each experience is a learning lesson. It's not for everyone. That's why he came to me. Someone who understands. I'm very careful with them because of who they are. I know one mistake could be his death! Scary to me. I have a lot of ground for them to enjoy. I have no small children either, but they love kids. Discrimination is a horrilbe thing.
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Post by: fancypants on October 20, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
Although I've been a lifelong 'pet owner' of dogs & cats (don't ask about my early learning experience with homing pidgeons that continued to fly back to where this kid bought them) , I alway try to remember that at their hearts , they are animals ; the sweetest of pets can illustrate this at any given moment , with changes in their health,environs & many ects.

I have to admit that my view on dogs & cats was forever changed , when I witnessed both feasting on deceased humans , in Cambodia (during Pol Pot days) !

Sorry in advance if anyone gets 'grossed-out' by that ... I still am .
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Post by: bigwull on October 20, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
why should we be grossed out...the dogs and cats,did,nt know they were humans.. it was,nt their fault,that the supposedly superior animals on the planet  were killing their own kind...for no reason...
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Post by: greenacres on October 21, 2012, 09:33:25 AM
I agree Wullie.